From: Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Lockdep and rw_semaphores
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:16:01 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E715FE1.5030503@vlnb.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110914044013.GD2203@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Al Viro, on 09/14/2011 12:40 AM wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:55:25PM -0400, Vladislav Bolkhovitin wrote:
>
>>> thread 1:
>>> down_read(&A); /* got it */
>>> thread 2:
>>> down_read(&B); /* got it */
>>> thread 3:
>>> down_write(&A); /* blocked until thread 1 releases A */
>
> That's the only thread here doing down_write() on A
>
>>> thread 4:
>>> down_write(&B); /* blocked until thread 2 releases B */
>
> ... and that's the only thread here doing down_write() on B. And neither
> of those is holding any other locks. No nesting.
>
>> 1. Reverse read locking isn't always a deadlock. For instance, if only 1 write
>> thread participating and doesn't do nested write locking, which is a quite valid
>> scenario, because by design of rw locks they are used with many readers and
>> limited amount of rare writers.
>
> Um? If you mean that here we have two threads doing down_write(), remember
> that you've got two locks.
No, consider there is only one management thread doing either down_write(&A), or
down_write(&B), never both, with a set of worker threads doing down_read() of any
locks in any order.
_One_ down_write() thread, no down_write() nesting => no deadlock possibility.
>> So, it should be better if this warning is issued, if there is >1 thread write
>> locking detected on any participated rw lock, and illustrated with a correct
>> explanation.
>
> Which would be which threads, in the situation described above? Again,
> we have no nesting for writes and we have one thread attempting down_write()
> for any given lock. Two locks, two writers in total...
Consider we have N rw locks/semaphores depending from each other and not following
strict read locking rule, i.e. down_read() all or some of them in any order. The
lockdep warning should be issued only if detected that any of those locks
down_write() in more than 1 thread or there is attempt of nesting down_write() of
any of the locks. This will be more correct handling of the RW locks dependency
than currently.
I hope, lockdep already stores some info to recognize current thread/process and
separate dependency chains, so this info can be reused.
Vlad
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-09-15 2:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-11 1:34 Lockdep and rw_semaphores Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2011-09-11 2:38 ` Al Viro
2011-09-13 2:19 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2011-09-13 5:17 ` Al Viro
2011-09-14 1:55 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2011-09-14 4:40 ` Al Viro
2011-09-15 2:16 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin [this message]
2011-09-13 14:07 ` David Howells
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