OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Richard Weinberger]

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Hi,

http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/source.html states:
"Active development on OCFS2 happens in the mainline kernel."

But the mainline kernel seems to contain only version 1.5.0.

Also the linux-next ocfs2 branch has only 1.5.0.
git://oss.oracle.com/git/jlbec/linux-2.6.git linux-next

Where can I get 1.6.0?
When will it come to mainline?

*confused*,
//richard


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Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Valdis.Kletnieks]

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On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:38:27 +0200, Richard Weinberger said:

> http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/source.html states:
> "Active development on OCFS2 happens in the mainline kernel."
> 
> But the mainline kernel seems to contain only version 1.5.0.
> 
> Also the linux-next ocfs2 branch has only 1.5.0.
> git://oss.oracle.com/git/jlbec/linux-2.6.git linux-next
> 
> Where can I get 1.6.0?

Presumably, it's GPL, so you should be able to get a copy from the
person that told you that 1.6.0 exists. ;)

Put differently, why do you think 1.6.0 is available?

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Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Richard Weinberger]

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Am 15.10.2011 19:45, schrieb Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:38:27 +0200, Richard Weinberger said:
> 
>> http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/source.html states:
>> "Active development on OCFS2 happens in the mainline kernel."
>>
>> But the mainline kernel seems to contain only version 1.5.0.
>>
>> Also the linux-next ocfs2 branch has only 1.5.0.
>> git://oss.oracle.com/git/jlbec/linux-2.6.git linux-next
>>
>> Where can I get 1.6.0?
> 
> Presumably, it's GPL, so you should be able to get a copy from the
> person that told you that 1.6.0 exists. ;)
> 
> Put differently, why do you think 1.6.0 is available?

http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/

"OCFS2 1.6 RELEASE

OCFS2 1.6.3-1 and OCFS2 Tools 1.6.3-1 are the latest versions. The new
features available in this release include Extended Attributes, POSIX
ACLs, REFLINKs, Indexed Directories, Allocation Reservation, Metadata
Checksums and User/Group Quotas."

Looks like it's only available for "Unbreakable Linux" subscribers.
The development seems to be detached from mainline. :-(

Thanks,
//richard


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Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Valdis.Kletnieks]

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On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:49:43 +0200, Richard Weinberger said:

> Am 15.10.2011 19:45, schrieb Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu:
> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:38:27 +0200, Richard Weinberger said:

> >> http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/source.html states:
> >> "Active development on OCFS2 happens in the mainline kernel."

> > Put differently, why do you think 1.6.0 is available?

> OCFS2 1.6.3-1 and OCFS2 Tools 1.6.3-1 are the latest versions. The new
> features available in this release include Extended Attributes, POSIX
> ACLs, REFLINKs, Indexed Directories, Allocation Reservation, Metadata
> Checksums and User/Group Quotas."

Nice feature list, I can see why you want it. ;)

> Looks like it's only available for "Unbreakable Linux" subscribers.
> The development seems to be detached from mainline. :-(

Well, you have to admit it *is* an interesting business model - giving release
N to your customers and N-1 to the world.  I just got totally mislead by the
quote from the Oracle site that said the development happens in mainline. ;)


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Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Kyle Moffett]

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 15:26,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:49:43 +0200, Richard Weinberger said:
>> Am 15.10.2011 19:45, schrieb Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu:
>> > Put differently, why do you think 1.6.0 is available?
>
>> OCFS2 1.6.3-1 and OCFS2 Tools 1.6.3-1 are the latest versions. The new
>> features available in this release include Extended Attributes, POSIX
>> ACLs, REFLINKs, Indexed Directories, Allocation Reservation, Metadata
>> Checksums and User/Group Quotas."
>
> Nice feature list, I can see why you want it. ;)
>
>> Looks like it's only available for "Unbreakable Linux" subscribers.
>> The development seems to be detached from mainline. :-(
>
> Well, you have to admit it *is* an interesting business model - giving release
> N to your customers and N-1 to the world.  I just got totally mislead by the
> quote from the Oracle site that said the development happens in mainline. ;)

If someone who has a copy of Oracle's "Unbreakable Linux" can get
ahold of the sources, please put them in GIT somewhere for the rest of
us to access; it *is* GPLed software after all.  Otherwise, please
distribute the binaries to the rest of us and we will obtain the
sources on our own.  I can't find any published information on their
website about how to obtain the sources, so someone will have to
contact them directly.

In the event that Oracle refuses to provide the sources for OCFS2 to
someone who has been given a copy of the binary then they are
violating the GPL.  A relatively large number of kernel developers not
employed by Oracle have contributed patches to OCFS2, and furthermore
the kernel module appears to exclusively support Linux, indicating
that it is a derivative work Oracle has no rights to relicense.

Cheers,
Kyle Moffett

Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Richard Weinberger]

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Am 15.10.2011 23:03, schrieb Kyle Moffett:
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 15:26,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:49:43 +0200, Richard Weinberger said:
>>> Am 15.10.2011 19:45, schrieb Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu:
>>>> Put differently, why do you think 1.6.0 is available?
>>
>>> OCFS2 1.6.3-1 and OCFS2 Tools 1.6.3-1 are the latest versions. The new
>>> features available in this release include Extended Attributes, POSIX
>>> ACLs, REFLINKs, Indexed Directories, Allocation Reservation, Metadata
>>> Checksums and User/Group Quotas."
>>
>> Nice feature list, I can see why you want it. ;)
>>
>>> Looks like it's only available for "Unbreakable Linux" subscribers.
>>> The development seems to be detached from mainline. :-(
>>
>> Well, you have to admit it *is* an interesting business model - giving release
>> N to your customers and N-1 to the world.  I just got totally mislead by the
>> quote from the Oracle site that said the development happens in mainline. ;)
> 
> If someone who has a copy of Oracle's "Unbreakable Linux" can get
> ahold of the sources, please put them in GIT somewhere for the rest of
> us to access; it *is* GPLed software after all.  Otherwise, please
> distribute the binaries to the rest of us and we will obtain the
> sources on our own.  I can't find any published information on their
> website about how to obtain the sources, so someone will have to
> contact them directly.

I found this src.rpm:
http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/1/base/x86_64/kernel-uek-2.6.32-100.34.1.el6uek.src.rpm

linux-2.6.32/fs/ocfs2 contains OCFS2 1.6.3.

Mark, Joel, can you please port this "release" to mainline?

Thanks,
//richard


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Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Valdis.Kletnieks]

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On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:12:44 +0200, Richard Weinberger said:
> Am 15.10.2011 23:03, schrieb Kyle Moffett:
> > If someone who has a copy of Oracle's "Unbreakable Linux" can get
> > ahold of the sources, please put them in GIT somewhere for the rest of
> > us to access; it *is* GPLed software after all.  Otherwise, please
> > distribute the binaries to the rest of us and we will obtain the
> > sources on our own.  I can't find any published information on their
> > website about how to obtain the sources, so someone will have to
> > contact them directly.

Remember that Oracle only has an obligation to give source to the people *they*
give binaries to.  If you get binaries from an Oracle customer, you'll have to
hit that customer up for the corresponding source.

> I found this src.rpm:
> http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/1/base/x86_64/kernel-ue=
> k-2.6.32-100.34.1.el6uek.src.rpm
> 
> linux-2.6.32/fs/ocfs2 contains OCFS2 1.6.3.
> 
> Mark, Joel, can you please port this "release" to mainline?

I'll bite.. what's an acceptable Signed-Off-By: chain if somebody is pushing
somebody else's GPL'ed code upstream?  I seem to remember some maintainers
being a tad prickly about this case in the past?


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Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Mark Fasheh]

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:12:44PM +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> >> Well, you have to admit it *is* an interesting business model - giving release
> >> N to your customers and N-1 to the world.  I just got totally mislead by the
> >> quote from the Oracle site that said the development happens in mainline. ;)
> > 
> > If someone who has a copy of Oracle's "Unbreakable Linux" can get
> > ahold of the sources, please put them in GIT somewhere for the rest of
> > us to access; it *is* GPLed software after all.  Otherwise, please
> > distribute the binaries to the rest of us and we will obtain the
> > sources on our own.  I can't find any published information on their
> > website about how to obtain the sources, so someone will have to
> > contact them directly.
> 
> I found this src.rpm:
> http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/1/base/x86_64/kernel-uek-2.6.32-100.34.1.el6uek.src.rpm
> 
> linux-2.6.32/fs/ocfs2 contains OCFS2 1.6.3.
> 
> Mark, Joel, can you please port this "release" to mainline?
> 
> Thanks,
> //richard

There's no point, everything in mainline is in that release (1.6.3). If
there's anything not in mainline that's there it should only be because of
the following reasons:

	- It is not suitable for mainline (the datavolume hack is one example)
	- It just hasn't been pushed yet but is in Joel's tree or is on the
          list waiting review.

If you see otherwise of course, please let us all know - including the
Oracle folks they really are keeping this upstream.

I think you all are being confused by two things:

 - meaningless version numbers - we don't care too much about version
   numbers in the upstream code since we can go about that by looking at
   kernel version. Oracle (and SUSE) on the other hand like to increase
   numbers for obvious customer reasons. Hence the upstream version just
   looks 'old'.

 - The confusing way in which Ocfs2 is presented on the oss.oracle.com site.
   There can be improvements in how things are worded and presented but that's
   really out of my control.

Again, let us know if you find anything that contradicts what I just wrote.
	--Mark

--
Mark Fasheh

Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Joel Becker]

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 07:49:43PM +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> Am 15.10.2011 19:45, schrieb Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu:
> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:38:27 +0200, Richard Weinberger said:
> > 
> >> http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/source.html states:
> >> "Active development on OCFS2 happens in the mainline kernel."
> >>
> >> But the mainline kernel seems to contain only version 1.5.0.
> >>
> >> Also the linux-next ocfs2 branch has only 1.5.0.
> >> git://oss.oracle.com/git/jlbec/linux-2.6.git linux-next
> >>
> >> Where can I get 1.6.0?
> > 
> > Presumably, it's GPL, so you should be able to get a copy from the
> > person that told you that 1.6.0 exists. ;)
> > 
> > Put differently, why do you think 1.6.0 is available?
> 
> http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/
> 
> "OCFS2 1.6 RELEASE
> 
> OCFS2 1.6.3-1 and OCFS2 Tools 1.6.3-1 are the latest versions. The new
> features available in this release include Extended Attributes, POSIX
> ACLs, REFLINKs, Indexed Directories, Allocation Reservation, Metadata
> Checksums and User/Group Quotas."
> 
> Looks like it's only available for "Unbreakable Linux" subscribers.
> The development seems to be detached from mainline. :-(

Hello Folks,
	Sorry I'm late to this game, but it's worth repeating.
	Thankfully, you're just confused by shoddy version numbers.  ALL
ocfs2 development happens in mainline.  Any code that is in the 1.6.0
release, or any RPM release, started in mainline.
	We don't really pay any attention to the version number reported
in the mainline code.  It's said 1.5.0 for years now.  Mainline is
versioned by the kernel release.
	To repeat, ALL of the code in the 1.6.x RPM (or any RPM put out
by Oracle or SuSE) started in mainline, with the possible exception of
any trivial compatability fixes.  If you have the latest Linus code, you
have the latest ocfs2 code.

Joel

-- 

"Same dancers in the same old shoes.
 You get too careful with the steps you choose.
 You don't care about winning but you don't want to lose
 After the thrill is gone."

			http://www.jlbec.org/
			jlbec@evilplan.org

Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Richard Weinberger]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:55:10 -0800, Joel Becker <jlbec@evilplan.org>
wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 07:49:43PM +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> Am 15.10.2011 19:45, schrieb Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu:
>> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:38:27 +0200, Richard Weinberger said:
>> >
>> >> http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/source.html states:
>> >> "Active development on OCFS2 happens in the mainline kernel."
>> >>
>> >> But the mainline kernel seems to contain only version 1.5.0.
>> >>
>> >> Also the linux-next ocfs2 branch has only 1.5.0.
>> >> git://oss.oracle.com/git/jlbec/linux-2.6.git linux-next
>> >>
>> >> Where can I get 1.6.0?
>> >
>> > Presumably, it's GPL, so you should be able to get a copy from the
>> > person that told you that 1.6.0 exists. ;)
>> >
>> > Put differently, why do you think 1.6.0 is available?
>>
>> http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/
>>
>> "OCFS2 1.6 RELEASE
>>
>> OCFS2 1.6.3-1 and OCFS2 Tools 1.6.3-1 are the latest versions. The new
>> features available in this release include Extended Attributes, POSIX
>> ACLs, REFLINKs, Indexed Directories, Allocation Reservation, Metadata
>> Checksums and User/Group Quotas."
>>
>> Looks like it's only available for "Unbreakable Linux" subscribers.
>> The development seems to be detached from mainline. :-(
> 
> Hello Folks,
> 	Sorry I'm late to this game, but it's worth repeating.
> 	Thankfully, you're just confused by shoddy version numbers.  ALL
> ocfs2 development happens in mainline.  Any code that is in the 1.6.0
> release, or any RPM release, started in mainline.
> 	We don't really pay any attention to the version number reported
> in the mainline code.  It's said 1.5.0 for years now.  Mainline is
> versioned by the kernel release.
> 	To repeat, ALL of the code in the 1.6.x RPM (or any RPM put out
> by Oracle or SuSE) started in mainline, with the possible exception of
> any trivial compatability fixes.  If you have the latest Linus code, you
> have the latest ocfs2 code.
> 

Thanks for the clarification!

//richard

Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Randy Dunlap]

On 10/15/2011 10:45 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:38:27 +0200, Richard Weinberger said:
> 
>> http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/source.html states:
>> "Active development on OCFS2 happens in the mainline kernel."
>>
>> But the mainline kernel seems to contain only version 1.5.0.
>>
>> Also the linux-next ocfs2 branch has only 1.5.0.
>> git://oss.oracle.com/git/jlbec/linux-2.6.git linux-next
>>
>> Where can I get 1.6.0?
> 
> Presumably, it's GPL, so you should be able to get a copy from the
> person that told you that 1.6.0 exists. ;)
> 
> Put differently, why do you think 1.6.0 is available?

http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/ says:

"OCFS2 1.6 is now available with the Oracle Linux 5. It is bundled with Oracle's Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel. "

-- 
~Randy
*** Remember to use Documentation/SubmitChecklist when testing your code ***

Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Xose Vazquez Perez]

Valdis.Kletnieks wrote:

> Remember that Oracle only has an obligation to give source to the people *they*
> give binaries to.  If you get binaries from an Oracle customer, you'll have to
> hit that customer up for the corresponding source.

http://oss.oracle.com/git/
http://public-yum.oracle.com/
http://linux.oracle.com/
http://edelivery.oracle.com/linux/
http://oss.oracle.com/


more info:
http://lwn.net/Articles/406199/
http://blogs.oracle.com/wim/entry/some_quick_answers_on_the_new
http://www.oracle.com/linux

OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Xose Vazquez Perez]

Richard Weinberger wrote:

> But the mainline kernel seems to contain only version 1.5.0.
> 
> Also the linux-next ocfs2 branch has only 1.5.0.
> git://oss.oracle.com/git/jlbec/linux-2.6.git linux-next
> 
> Where can I get 1.6.0?
> When will it come to mainline?

the latest is 1.8.0: http://public-yum.oracle.com/beta/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/uek2/x86_64/kernel-uek-2.6.39-100.0.12.el6uek.src.rpm

No patch, just look at linux-2.6.39/fs/ocfs2/

NO NO NO oracle!

Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Sasha Levin]

On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 16:55 +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
> Richard Weinberger wrote:
> 
> > But the mainline kernel seems to contain only version 1.5.0.
> > 
> > Also the linux-next ocfs2 branch has only 1.5.0.
> > git://oss.oracle.com/git/jlbec/linux-2.6.git linux-next
> > 
> > Where can I get 1.6.0?
> > When will it come to mainline?
> 
> the latest is 1.8.0: http://public-yum.oracle.com/beta/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/uek2/x86_64/kernel-uek-2.6.39-100.0.12.el6uek.src.rpm
> 
> No patch, just look at linux-2.6.39/fs/ocfs2/
> 
> NO NO NO oracle!

Oracle's git tree for OCFS2 is available at
http://oss.oracle.com/git/?p=ocfs2-1.8.git;a=summary , and all the rest
of their open source related trees are at http://oss.oracle.com/git/ .

-- 

Sasha.

Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Xose Vazquez Perez]

On 10/16/2011 07:40 PM, Sasha Levin wrote:

> On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 16:55 +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:

>> the latest is 1.8.0: http://public-yum.oracle.com/beta/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/uek2/x86_64/kernel-uek-2.6.39-100.0.12.el6uek.src.rpm
>>
>> No patch, just look at linux-2.6.39/fs/ocfs2/
>>
>> NO NO NO oracle!

> Oracle's git tree for OCFS2 is available at
> http://oss.oracle.com/git/?p=ocfs2-1.8.git;a=summary , and all the rest
> of their open source related trees are at http://oss.oracle.com/git/ .

last change in git was *ONE year* ago: 12 Oct 2010
kernel-uek-2.6.39-100.0.12.el6uek.src.rpm is two weeks old.
Are you sure is the same code in git and src.rpm ?


Are going oracle to play also this way with btrfs ?

Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[richard -rw- weinberger]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Xose Vazquez Perez
<xose.vazquez@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/16/2011 07:40 PM, Sasha Levin wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 16:55 +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
>
>>> the latest is 1.8.0: http://public-yum.oracle.com/beta/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/uek2/x86_64/kernel-uek-2.6.39-100.0.12.el6uek.src.rpm
>>>
>>> No patch, just look at linux-2.6.39/fs/ocfs2/
>>>
>>> NO NO NO oracle!
>
>> Oracle's git tree for OCFS2 is available at
>> http://oss.oracle.com/git/?p=ocfs2-1.8.git;a=summary , and all the rest
>> of their open source related trees are at http://oss.oracle.com/git/ .
>
> last change in git was *ONE year* ago: 12 Oct 2010
> kernel-uek-2.6.39-100.0.12.el6uek.src.rpm is two weeks old.
> Are you sure is the same code in git and src.rpm ?
>
>

This seems to be the correct source of OCFS2 1.6.3:
http://oss.oracle.com/git/?p=linux-2.6-unbreakable.git;a=summary

-- 
Thanks,
//richard

Re: OCFS2 1.6.0 for mainline?

[Sasha Levin]

On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 00:07 +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
> On 10/16/2011 07:40 PM, Sasha Levin wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 16:55 +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
> 
> >> the latest is 1.8.0: http://public-yum.oracle.com/beta/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/uek2/x86_64/kernel-uek-2.6.39-100.0.12.el6uek.src.rpm
> >>
> >> No patch, just look at linux-2.6.39/fs/ocfs2/
> >>
> >> NO NO NO oracle!
> 
> > Oracle's git tree for OCFS2 is available at
> > http://oss.oracle.com/git/?p=ocfs2-1.8.git;a=summary , and all the rest
> > of their open source related trees are at http://oss.oracle.com/git/ .
> 
> last change in git was *ONE year* ago: 12 Oct 2010
> kernel-uek-2.6.39-100.0.12.el6uek.src.rpm is two weeks old.
> Are you sure is the same code in git and src.rpm ?

You're right, that source rpm is based on
http://oss.oracle.com/git/?p=linux-2.6-unbreakable-beta.git
which also has more recent OCFS2 commits.

> 
> 
> Are going oracle to play also this way with btrfs ?

-- 

Sasha.