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From: Denis Kuzmenko <linux@solonet.org.ua>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren@nvidia.com>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Richard Purdie <rpurdie@rpsys.net>,
	Wolfram Sang <w.sang@pengutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] s3c/s3c24xx: arm: leds: Make s3c24xx LEDS driver use gpiolib
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:52:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ECAD613.3030605@solonet.org.ua> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <74CDBE0F657A3D45AFBB94109FB122FF174F08C246@HQMAIL01.nvidia.com>

On 11/22/2011 12:03 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> Denis Kuzmenko wrote at Monday, November 21, 2011 12:38 PM:
>> On 11/21/2011 08:07 PM, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>> Denis Kuzmenko wrote at Friday, November 18, 2011 4:17 PM:
>>>> On 11/19/2011 12:44 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> ...
>>>>> OK, I see the need for a pull of some kind (although aren't there meant
>>>>> to be ESD protection diodes for this purpose; relying on what are probably
>>>>> pretty weak pullup/down resistors doesn't seem like it will provide much
>>>>> protection at all).
>>>>
>>>> I don't mean pull as any kind of good protection. But it's much better
>>>> to have it than not.
>>>
>>> Hmm. I'm not entirely convinced. If the board already has a pull-up/down,
>>> it seems like it won't really make much difference to ESD, and you can't
>>> make any assumptions in the core driver about whether such an external
>>> resistor is already present. In fact, adding another pull resistor inside
>>> the SoC in parallel will reduce the overall resistance, and increase wasted
>>> power.
>>>
>>
>> 	I don't think it's a real protection. It's rather "mistake-proofing"
>> (Poka-Yoke).
>> 	You are right, I didn't considered additional pulls (however I can't
>> imagine tristate LED usage with additional external pull) and power
>> consumptions.
>> 	I was just wondering, why was pull needed in previous implementation.
>> Additional ESD protection was the only thing I could imagine. I don't
>> think it's needed there and I'm OK to remove pull-related code.
>> 	So I'll remove it, test and send patch V3?
> 
> I don't see any pulls being configured in the original code at all,
> unless some of the s3c2410_* function have unexpected side-effect. The
> only related thing is in probe:
> 
>         /* no point in having a pull-up if we are always driving */
> 
>         if (pdata->flags & S3C24XX_LEDF_TRISTATE) {
> ..
>         } else {
>                 s3c2410_gpio_pullup(pdata->gpio, 0);
> 
> which I assume disables an pull in the case where the pin is always driven.
> 
> So, yes, I'd say submit v3 without any pull manipulation at all.
> 

Actually, "s3c2410_gpio_pullup(pdata->gpio, 0);" enables pull in the
same way I've done that. Here is it's code:

/* gpiolib wrappers until these are totally eliminated */

void s3c2410_gpio_pullup(unsigned int pin, unsigned int to)
{
	int ret;

	WARN_ON(to);	/* should be none of these left */

	if (!to) {
		/* if pull is enabled, try first with up, and if that
		 * fails, try using down */

		ret = s3c_gpio_setpull(pin, S3C_GPIO_PULL_UP);
		if (ret)
			s3c_gpio_setpull(pin, S3C_GPIO_PULL_DOWN);
	} else {
		s3c_gpio_setpull(pin, S3C_GPIO_PULL_NONE);
	}
}

So pull is enabled in same "random" way as I did but for *opposite*
state of S3C24XX_LEDF_TRISTATE flag.
And again:

>> 	I was just wondering, why was pull needed in previous implementation.
>> Additional ESD protection was the only thing I could imagine. I don't
>> think it's needed there and I'm OK to remove pull-related code.
>> 	So I'll remove it, test and send patch V3?

-- 
Best regards, Denis Kuzmenko.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-21 22:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-17 20:47 [PATCH] s3c/s3c24xx: arm: leds: Make s3c24xx LEDS driver use gpiolib Denis Kuzmenko
2011-11-18 17:08 ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-18 21:00   ` Denis Kuzmenko
2011-11-18 21:44     ` Denis Kuzmenko
2011-11-18 21:59       ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-18 22:34         ` Denis Kuzmenko
2011-11-18 22:39           ` [PATCH v2] " Denis Kuzmenko
2011-11-18 22:44           ` [PATCH] " Stephen Warren
2011-11-18 23:16             ` Denis Kuzmenko
2011-11-21 18:07               ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-21 19:37                 ` Denis Kuzmenko
2011-11-21 22:03                   ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-21 22:52                     ` Denis Kuzmenko [this message]
2011-11-21 23:39                       ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-22  0:28                         ` Denis Kuzmenko
2011-11-22  0:40                           ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-18 21:47     ` Stephen Warren

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