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From: Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Christian Hoff <christian.hoff@de.ibm.com>,
	borntrae@linux.vnet.ibm.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	mst@redhat.com, rusty@rustcorp.com.au
Subject: Re: Pe: [PATCH v5 1/3] virtio-scsi: first version
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:57:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F38C27E.7030300@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F38B657.7060405@de.ibm.com>

On 02/13/2012 09:05 AM, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> On 12/02/12 21:16, James Bottomley wrote:
>> Well, no-one's yet answered the question I had about why.
>
> Just to give one example from a different angle:
> In the big datacenters tape libraries are still very important, and lots
> of them have a scsi attachement. virtio-blk certainly is not the right
> way to handle those. Furthermore it seems even pretty hard to craft
> a virtio-tape since most of those libraries have vendor specific library
> controls (via sg). We would need to duplicate scsi generic (hint, hint :-)
>
>> virtio-scsi seems to be a basic duplication of virtio-blk except that it seems to
>> fix some problems virtio-blk has.  Namely queue parameter discover,
>> which virtio-blk doesn't seem to do.  There may also be a reason to cut
>> the stack lower down.  Error handling is most often cited for this, but
>> no-one's satisfactorily explaned why it's better to do error handling in
>> the guest instead of the host.
>>
>> Could someone please explain to me why you can't simply fix virtio-blk?
>
> I dont think that virtio-scsi will replace virtio-blk everywhere. For non-scsi
> block devices, image files or logical volumes virtio-blk seems to be the right
> approach, I think.

+1

virtio-scsi is superior w.r.t:
   - Device support: tapes, cdroms, other
   - Does guest-host mapped multipath
   - Supports plenty of virtual disks mapped to the guest w/o need for a
     pci slot per each virtio-blk
   - offload fancy/new/sophisticated scsi commands from the guest to the
     storage array w/o need for qemu implementation. Example XCOPY.

There are some more goodies like ability to support windows guest 
clustering w/o hacky versions of scsi pass through over virtio-blk.
virtio-blk is also a candidate to change the request based towards bio 
based implementation, so sticking to it does not buy us too much.

>
>> Or would virtio-blk maintainers give a reason why they're unwilling to
>> have it fixed?
>
> I dont consider virtio-blk broken. It just doesnt cover everything.
>
> Christian
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-13  7:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-06  9:51 Pe: [PATCH v5 1/3] virtio-scsi: first version Christian Hoff
2012-02-07  9:54 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-07 11:10   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-07 11:26     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-07 11:56   ` Christian Borntraeger
2012-02-07 12:31     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-07 13:18       ` Christian Borntraeger
2012-02-07 13:59         ` Christian Hoff
2012-02-07 14:28           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-08 13:37             ` Christian Hoff
2012-02-09  9:25               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-09 12:18                 ` Christian Hoff
2012-02-12 20:16                 ` James Bottomley
2012-02-12 23:41                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-02-13  7:05                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2012-02-13  7:57                     ` Dor Laor [this message]
2012-02-13 12:40                       ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-02-13 12:54                         ` Dor Laor
2012-02-13 13:00                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-13 13:13                             ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-02-13 13:17                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-13 13:18                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-13 15:12                                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2012-02-13 20:42                                   ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-02-13 20:53                                     ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-02-13 22:59                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-13 23:30                                         ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-02-13 23:33                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-14  0:49                                             ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-02-14  1:11                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-02-14  9:57                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-13 11:08                     ` Bart Van Assche
2012-02-13  9:19                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-14  0:07                     ` Rusty Russell

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