From: David Daney <ddaney.cavm@gmail.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
David Daney <ddaney@caviumnetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] x86, extable: Handle early exceptions
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:17:14 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F9072CA.6030903@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9ff2e09c-57e4-455e-8614-1b3b17b652f4@email.android.com>
On 04/19/2012 11:55 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Either way I suggest picking up David's presorting patchset since it is already done and use its infrastructure for any further improvements.
>
It does have the advantage of already being implemented. There was a
little feedback on the kbuild portions of the patch.
If you would like, I will send an updated version of the patch.
> As far as a linear probe you get an average of n lookups with a packing density of 1-1/n so you are right; a linear probe with a density of say 1/2 is probably best.
>
I usually see exception table sizes on the order of 2^10 entries, so I
have to wonder how much you really gain from an O(1) implementation.
David Daney
> Linus Torvalds<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM, H. Peter Anvin<hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would argue that the O(1) hash makes things simpler as there is no
>>> need to deal with collisions at all.
>>
>> Most of the O(1) hashes I have seen more than made up for the trivial
>> complexity of a few linear lookups by making the hash function way
>> more complicated.
>>
>> A linear probe with a step of one really is pretty simple. Sure, you
>> might want to make the initial hash "good enough" to not often hit the
>> probing code, but doing a few linear probes is cheap.
>>
>> In contrast, the perfect linear hashes do crazy things like having
>> table lookups *JUST TO COMPUTE THE HASH*.
>>
>> Which is f*cking stupid, really. They'll miss in the cache just at
>> hash compute time, never mind at hash lookup. The table-driven
>> versions look beautiful in microbenchmarks that have the tables in the
>> L1 cache, but for something like the exception handling, I can
>> guarantee that *nothing* is in L1, and probably not even L2.
>>
>> So what you want is:
>> - no table lookups for hashing
>> - simple code (ie a normal "a multiply and a shift/mask or two") to
>> keep the I$ footprint down too
>> - you *will* take a cache miss on the actual hash table lookup, that
>> cannot be avoided, but linear probing at least hopefully keeps it to
>> that single cache miss even if you have to do a probe or two.
>>
>> Remember: this is very much a "cold-cache behavior matters" case. We
>> would never ever call this in a loop, at most we have loads that get a
>> fair amount of exceptions (but will go through the exception code, so
>> the L1 is probably blown even then).
>>
>> Linus
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-04-19 20:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-04-19 0:16 [PATCH 0/5] RFC: x86: Early exception table support H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 0:16 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86, nop: Make the ASM_NOP* macros work from assembly H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 9:29 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-20 0:24 ` [tip:x86/extable] " tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 0:16 ` [PATCH 2/5] x86: Add symbolic constant for exceptions with error code H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 9:30 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-20 0:25 ` [tip:x86/extable] " tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 0:16 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86, paravirt: Replace GET_CR2_INTO_RCX with GET_CR2_INTO_RAX H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-20 0:26 ` [tip:x86/extable] " tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 0:16 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86-64: Handle exception table entries during early boot H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 13:02 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19 16:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 17:16 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-20 0:29 ` [tip:x86/extable] x86, doc: Revert "x86: Document rdmsr_safe restrictions" tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-20 0:28 ` [tip:x86/extable] x86-64: Handle exception table entries during early boot tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 0:16 ` [PATCH 5/5] x86-32: " H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-20 0:28 ` [tip:x86/extable] " tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 9:22 ` [PATCH 0/5] RFC: x86: Early exception table support Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19 9:24 ` [PATCH 1/3] x86, extable: Cleanup fixup_exception Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19 9:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] x86, extable: Carve out the main extable searching routine Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19 9:26 ` [PATCH 3/3] x86, extable: Handle early exceptions Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19 17:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 17:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-19 17:38 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19 17:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 18:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-19 18:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 20:17 ` David Daney [this message]
2012-04-19 20:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 20:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 20:40 ` David Daney
2012-04-19 21:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-19 22:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 22:47 ` Tony Luck
2012-04-19 22:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-19 23:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 23:26 ` Tony Luck
2012-04-19 23:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-20 8:26 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-04-19 18:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-20 8:46 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19 17:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-20 0:27 ` [tip:x86/extable] x86, extable: Add early_fixup_exception() tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
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