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From: David Daney <ddaney.cavm@gmail.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	David Daney <ddaney@caviumnetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] x86, extable: Handle early exceptions
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:17:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F9072CA.6030903@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9ff2e09c-57e4-455e-8614-1b3b17b652f4@email.android.com>

On 04/19/2012 11:55 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Either way I suggest picking up David's presorting patchset since it is already done and use its infrastructure for any further improvements.
>

It does have the advantage of already being implemented.  There was a 
little feedback on the kbuild portions of the patch.

If you would like, I will send an updated version of the patch.

> As far as a linear probe you get an average of n lookups with a packing density of 1-1/n so you are right; a linear probe with a density of say 1/2 is probably best.
>

I usually see exception table sizes on the order of 2^10 entries, so I 
have to wonder how much you really gain from an O(1) implementation.

David Daney

> Linus Torvalds<torvalds@linux-foundation.org>  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM, H. Peter Anvin<hpa@zytor.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I would argue that the O(1) hash makes things simpler as there is no
>>> need to deal with collisions at all.
>>
>> Most of the O(1) hashes I have seen more than made up for the trivial
>> complexity of a few linear lookups by making the hash function way
>> more complicated.
>>
>> A linear probe with a step of one really is pretty simple. Sure, you
>> might want to make the initial hash "good enough" to not often hit the
>> probing code, but doing a few linear probes is cheap.
>>
>> In contrast, the perfect linear hashes do crazy things like having
>> table lookups *JUST TO COMPUTE THE HASH*.
>>
>> Which is f*cking stupid, really. They'll miss in the cache just at
>> hash compute time, never mind at hash lookup. The table-driven
>> versions look beautiful in microbenchmarks that have the tables in the
>> L1 cache, but for something like the exception handling, I can
>> guarantee that *nothing* is in L1, and probably not even L2.
>>
>> So what you want is:
>> - no table lookups for hashing
>> - simple code (ie a normal "a multiply and a shift/mask or two") to
>> keep the I$ footprint down too
>> - you *will* take a cache miss on the actual hash table lookup, that
>> cannot be avoided, but linear probing at least hopefully keeps it to
>> that single cache miss even if you have to do a probe or two.
>>
>> Remember: this is very much a "cold-cache behavior matters" case. We
>> would never ever call this in a loop, at most we have loads that get a
>> fair amount of exceptions (but will go through the exception code, so
>> the L1 is probably blown even then).
>>
>>                          Linus
>


  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-19 20:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-19  0:16 [PATCH 0/5] RFC: x86: Early exception table support H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19  0:16 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86, nop: Make the ASM_NOP* macros work from assembly H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19  9:29   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-20  0:24   ` [tip:x86/extable] " tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19  0:16 ` [PATCH 2/5] x86: Add symbolic constant for exceptions with error code H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19  9:30   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-20  0:25   ` [tip:x86/extable] " tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19  0:16 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86, paravirt: Replace GET_CR2_INTO_RCX with GET_CR2_INTO_RAX H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-20  0:26   ` [tip:x86/extable] " tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19  0:16 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86-64: Handle exception table entries during early boot H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 13:02   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19 16:59     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 17:16       ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-20  0:29         ` [tip:x86/extable] x86, doc: Revert "x86: Document rdmsr_safe restrictions" tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-20  0:28   ` [tip:x86/extable] x86-64: Handle exception table entries during early boot tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19  0:16 ` [PATCH 5/5] x86-32: " H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-20  0:28   ` [tip:x86/extable] " tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19  9:22 ` [PATCH 0/5] RFC: x86: Early exception table support Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19  9:24   ` [PATCH 1/3] x86, extable: Cleanup fixup_exception Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19  9:25   ` [PATCH 2/3] x86, extable: Carve out the main extable searching routine Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19  9:26   ` [PATCH 3/3] x86, extable: Handle early exceptions Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19 17:02     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 17:27       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-19 17:38         ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19 17:59           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 18:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-19 18:55               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 20:17                 ` David Daney [this message]
2012-04-19 20:20                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 20:26                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 20:40                       ` David Daney
2012-04-19 21:47                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-19 22:16                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 22:47                     ` Tony Luck
2012-04-19 22:58                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-19 23:10                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-19 23:26                           ` Tony Luck
2012-04-19 23:35                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-20  8:26                             ` Andreas Schwab
2012-04-19 18:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-20  8:46             ` Borislav Petkov
2012-04-19 17:54       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-20  0:27 ` [tip:x86/extable] x86, extable: Add early_fixup_exception() tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin

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