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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Linux Edac Mailing List <linux-edac@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Aristeu Rozanski <arozansk@redhat.com>,
	Doug Thompson <norsk5@yahoo.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] RAS: Add a tracepoint for reporting memory controller events
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:24:20 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FC7B754.5040209@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120531172018.GO14515@aftab.osrc.amd.com>

Em 31-05-2012 14:20, Borislav Petkov escreveu:
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 04:51:27PM +0000, Luck, Tony wrote:
>> No, it's a 6-bit field used as a shift ... so if it has value "6", it
>> means cache line granularity. Value "12" would mean 4K granularity.
>> Architecturally it could say "30" to mean gigabyte, or even "63" to
>> mean "everything is gone".
> 
> Right, 0x3f are 6 bits, correct, doh!
> 
>>>> while a few (IIRC patrol scrub) will report with page (4K)
>>>> granularity. Linux doesn't really care - they all have to get rounded
>>>> up to page size because we can't take away just one cache line from a
>>>> process.
>>>
>>> I'd like to see that :-)
>>
>> Patrol scrub works inside the depths of the memory controller on rank/row
>> addresses, not on system physical addresses. When it finds a problem, a
>> reverse translation is needed to be able to report a system physical
>> address in MCi_ADDR. Getting all the bits right is apparently a hard thing
>> to do, so the MCI_MISC_ADDR_LSB bits are used to indicate that some low
>> order bits are not valid.
> 
> Ok, thus the dynamic granularity. But we're going to end up reporting
> rank and row too so that it can be matched to the DIMM. I consider
> physical address a bonus in such cases and it is only of importance to
> those who like to replace single DRAM chips or single MOSFET transistors
> :-) :-) :-).
> 

A single corrected error doesn't mean you need to replace anything. The need
for a replacement is due to a joint probability of several independent
events:
	- a random noise;
	- a failure on a MOSFET transistor;
	- a failure at the DIMM contacts.

In order to distinguish between them, you need to know the statistics of
each of the above stochastic process and use some correlation functions
to detect to each group of event a series of error belongs.

For example, the error address at the DIMM contacts can be given by a
constant random variable, affecting a group of bits at the syndrome,
while a failure at a group of MOSFET transistors will be given by a
(series) of degenerate distribution function.

By properly exporting the address/grain/syndrome, an userspace program
can filter random noise failures from a defect at a DRAM or a bad contact
issue at the DIMM, and use different error count limits for each type of
error, when telling userspace when a memory should be replaced or not.

Regards,
Mauro


  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-05-31 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-18 16:31 [PATCH EDAC v26 00/66] EDAC patches for v3.5 Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:31 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 01/66] edac: Create a dimm struct and move the labels into it Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:31 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 03/66] edac: Don't initialize csrow's first_page & friends when not needed Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:31 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 04/66] edac: move nr_pages to dimm struct Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:31 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 05/66] edac: rewrite edac_align_ptr() Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:31 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 06/66] edac.h: Add generic layers for describing a memory location Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:31 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 08/66] amd64_edac: convert driver to use the new edac ABI Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:31 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 09/66] amd76x_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:31 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 10/66] cell_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:31 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 11/66] cpc925_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:31 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 12/66] e752x_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 13/66] e7xxx_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 14/66] i3000_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 15/66] i3200_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 16/66] i5000_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 17/66] i5100_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 18/66] i5400_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 19/66] i7300_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 20/66] i7core_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 21/66] i82443bxgx_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 22/66] i82860_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 23/66] i82875p_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 24/66] i82975x_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 25/66] mpc85xx_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 26/66] mv64x60_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 27/66] pasemi_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 28/66] ppc4xx_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 29/66] r82600_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 30/66] sb_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 31/66] tile_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 32/66] x38_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 33/66] edac: Remove the legacy EDAC ABI Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 17:51   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 34/66] edac: Initialize the dimm label with the known information Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 35/66] edac: Cleanup the logs for i7core and sb edac drivers Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 36/66] i5400_edac: improve debug messages to better represent the filled memory Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 37/66] RAS: Add a tracepoint for reporting memory controller events Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-24 10:14   ` [PATCH] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-24 10:56     ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-24 16:13       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-24 16:17         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-24 16:45         ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-24 18:00           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-29 11:58             ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-29 14:02               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-29 14:52                 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-29 15:23                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-30 23:24                     ` Luck, Tony
2012-05-31 10:00                       ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 10:33                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-31 12:17                           ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 13:56                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-31 14:22                               ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 14:44                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-31 14:54                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 15:01                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-31 15:14                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 16:14                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-31 17:13                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 18:04                                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-31 18:33                                               ` Aristeu Rozanski
2012-05-31 19:37                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 19:32                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 19:42                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 20:11                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2012-05-31 20:18                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 20:52                                                     ` Luck, Tony
2012-06-01  9:10                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-01  9:40                                                         ` Chen Gong
2012-06-01 12:15                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-01 15:42                                                         ` Luck, Tony
2012-06-01 16:00                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-01 18:21                                                             ` Luck, Tony
2012-06-01 23:00                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-01 23:19                                                                 ` Luck, Tony
2012-06-01 23:28                                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 16:51                         ` Luck, Tony
2012-05-31 17:20                           ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 18:14                             ` Luck, Tony
2012-05-31 19:26                               ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-31 18:24                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 38/66] i5000_edac: Fix the logic that retrieves memory information Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 39/66] e752x_edac: provide more info about how DIMMS/ranks are mapped Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 40/66] edac: Rename the parent dev to pdev Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 41/66] edac: use Documentation-nano format for some data structs Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 42/66] edac: rewrite the sysfs code to use struct device Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 43/66] mpc85xx_edac: convert sysfs logic " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 44/66] amd64_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 45/66] i7core_edac: convert it " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 46/66] edac: Get rid of the old kobj's from the edac mc code Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 47/66] edac: add a new per-dimm API and make the old per-virtual-rank API obsolete Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 48/66] edac: add a sysfs node to report the maximum location for the system Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 49/66] edac: Add debufs nodes to allow doing fake error inject Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 50/66] edac: Move grain/dtype/edac_type calculus to be out of channel loop Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 51/66] i82975x_edac: Test nr_pages earlier to save a few CPU cycles Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 52/66] i5100_edac: Fix a warning when compiled with 32 bits Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 53/66] i7300_edac: Get rid of some wrongly-solved rebase conflict Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 54/66] edac: Only expose csrows/channels on legacy API if they're populated Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 55/66] edac: change the mem allocation scheme to make Documentation/kobject.txt happy Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 56/66] i7core_edac: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 57/66] edac: move documentation ABI to ABI/testing/sysfs-devices-edac Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 58/66] Edac: Add ABI Documentation for the new device nodes Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 59/66] i5000: Fix the fatal error handling Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 60/66] i7core: fix ranks information at the per-channel struct Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 61/66] edac: Don't add __func__ or __FILE__ for debugf[0-9] msgs Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 62/66] edac: Use more normal debugging macro style Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 63/66] edac: Convert debugfX to edac_dbg(X, Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 64/66] edac_mc: Cleanup per-dimm_info debug messages Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 65/66] edac: Increase version to 3.0.0 Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:32 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 66/66] edac_mc: check for allocation failure in edac_mc_alloc() Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 16:46 ` [PATCH EDAC v26 00/66] EDAC patches for v3.5 Borislav Petkov
2012-05-18 17:43   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-18 17:53     ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-28 15:46       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-28 20:36         ` Borislav Petkov
2012-05-28 23:13           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-05-29  2:40             ` Chen Gong
2012-05-29 11:45               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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