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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Linus Torvalds' <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	kernel test robot <oliver.sang@intel.com>,
	"oe-lkp@lists.linux.dev" <oe-lkp@lists.linux.dev>,
	"lkp@intel.com" <lkp@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	"ying.huang@intel.com" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	"feng.tang@intel.com" <feng.tang@intel.com>,
	"fengwei.yin@intel.com" <fengwei.yin@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [linus:master] [iov_iter] c9eec08bac: vm-scalability.throughput -16.9% regression
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 16:55:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4cfd4808cc694f169aa8b83547ebc74d@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wi7gdgFM4tnLXfE4cj2XiKNARbGY-N2aF5h9CMaN6JUbA@mail.gmail.com>

From: Linus Torvalds
> Sent: 16 November 2023 03:27
> 
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 18:00, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> wrote:
...
> > A disassembly of _copy_from_iter() for the latter is attached.  Note that the
> > UBUF/IOVEC still uses "rep movsb"
> 
> Well, yes and no.
> 
> User copies do that X86_FEATURE_FSRM alternatives dance, so the code
> gets generated with "rep movs", but you'll note that there are several
> 'nops' after it.
> 
> Some of the nops are because we'll be inserting STAC/CLAC (three bytes
> each, I think) instructions around user accesses for SMAP-capable
> CPU's.
> 
> But some of the nops are because we'll be rewriting that "rep stosb"
> (two bytes, iirc) as "call rep_stos_alternative" (5 bytes) on CPU's
> that don't do FSRM like yours. So your CPU won't actually be executing
> that 'rep stosb' sequence.

I presume lack of coffee is responsible for the s/movs/stos/ :-)

How much difference does FSRM actually make?
Especially when compared to the cost of a function call (even
without the horrid return thunk).

For small %cx I think non-FSRM modern cpu are ~2 clocks/byte
(no fixed overhead).
Which means 'rep movsb' wins for both short and long copies.
I wonder what sizes the function call (with all its size
based compares at the top) is actually a win.

There has to be some mileage in getting the complier to generate
'call memcpy' (for non-constant sizes) and then run-time patching
the 5 byte 'call offset' into 'mov %edx,%ecx; rep movsb'.

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-16 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-07  1:40 [linus:master] [iov_iter] c9eec08bac: vm-scalability.throughput -16.9% regression kernel test robot
2023-11-15 12:48 ` David Howells
2023-11-15 13:18 ` David Howells
2023-11-15 15:20 ` David Howells
2023-11-15 16:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-15 17:38     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-15 18:35       ` David Howells
2023-11-15 18:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-15 19:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-15 20:54           ` David Howells
2023-11-15 18:38       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-15 19:09         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-15 19:15           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-15 20:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-16 10:07               ` David Laight
2023-11-16 10:14                 ` David Howells
2023-11-16 11:38                   ` David Laight
2023-11-15 19:26           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-16 15:44             ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-16 16:44               ` David Howells
2023-11-17 11:35                 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-17 14:12                   ` David Howells
2023-11-17 16:09                     ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-17 16:32                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-17 16:44                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-17 19:12                           ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-17 21:57                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-20 13:32                               ` David Howells
2023-11-20 16:06                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-20 16:09                                 ` David Laight
2023-11-16 16:48               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-16 16:58                 ` David Laight
2023-11-17 11:44                 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-17 12:09                   ` Jakub Jelinek
2023-11-17 12:18                     ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-17 13:09                   ` David Laight
2023-11-17 13:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-17 15:20                       ` David Laight
2023-11-15 21:43         ` David Howells
2023-11-15 21:50           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-15 21:59             ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-15 22:59             ` David Howells
2023-11-16  3:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-16 16:55                 ` David Laight [this message]
2023-11-16 17:24                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-16 22:53                     ` David Laight
2023-11-16 21:09                 ` David Howells
2023-11-16 22:36                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-20 11:52             ` Borislav Petkov

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