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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	rafael@kernel.org, daniel.lezcano@linaro.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET v6 0/4] Split iowait into two states
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 08:49:30 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4f804d53-6f6c-402c-b8db-db6ab8161f11@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <30eeae06-0d8a-4968-ba57-d723162a0782@kernel.dk>

On 9/4/24 8:41 AM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 9/4/24 8:28 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 09:39:45AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This is v6 of the patchset where the current in_iowait state is split
>>> into two parts:
>>>
>>> 1) The "task is sleeping waiting on IO", and would like cpufreq goodness
>>>    in terms of sleep and wakeup latencies.
>>> 2) The above, and also accounted as such in the iowait stats.
>>>
>>> The current ->in_iowait covers both, this series splits it into two types
>>> of state so that each can be controlled seperately.
>>
>> Yeah, but *WHY* !?!? I have some vague memories from last time around,
>> but patches should really keep this information.
> 
> To decouple the frequency boost on short waits from the accounting side,
> as lots of tooling equates iowait time with busy time and reports it as
> such. Yeah that's garbage and a reporting issue, but decades of
> education hasn't really improved on that. We should've dumped iowait
> once we moved away from 1-2 processor system or had preemptible kernels,
> but alas we did not and here we are in 2024.

Forgot to mention, it's not *just* an educational thing - lots services
of services do mixed network and disk IO, obviously, and they do have
some interest in retaining iowait metrics on the disk side.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-04 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-19 15:39 [PATCHSET v6 0/4] Split iowait into two states Jens Axboe
2024-08-19 15:39 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched/core: add helpers for iowait handling Jens Axboe
2024-08-19 15:39 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched/core: change rq->nr_iowait type to atomic_long_t Jens Axboe
2024-08-20  2:14   ` Zhang Qiao
2024-08-19 15:39 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched/core: have io_schedule_prepare() return a long Jens Axboe
2024-09-05  9:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-19 15:39 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched/core: split iowait state into two states Jens Axboe
2024-09-05 10:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-21 14:54 ` [PATCHSET v6 0/4] Split iowait " Christian Loehle
2024-08-21 15:04   ` Jens Axboe
2024-08-21 15:57     ` Christian Loehle
2024-08-24 15:34       ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-04 14:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-09-04 14:41   ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-04 14:49     ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2024-09-05  9:51     ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-09-04 14:42   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-09-04 15:18     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-09-05  9:29       ` Christian Loehle
2024-09-05 10:40         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-09-05  9:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-09-05 10:31         ` Christian Loehle
2024-09-05 11:00           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-09-05 11:09             ` Christian Loehle
2025-03-31  9:02 ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-03-31 10:33   ` Christian Loehle
2025-04-01  8:21     ` Pavel Begunkov

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