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From: "Chen, Kenneth W" <kenneth.w.chen@intel.com>
To: "'Con Kolivas'" <kernel@kolivas.org>, <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@osdl.org>, "Mike Galbraith" <efault@gmx.de>
Subject: RE: Regression seen for patch "sched:dont decrease idle sleep avg"
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:33:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4t16i2$13uiu1@orsmga001.jf.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200605171823.24476.kernel@kolivas.org>

Con Kolivas wrote on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:23 AM
> On Wednesday 17 May 2006 09:32, Tim Chen wrote:
> > It seems like just one sleep longer than INTERACTIVE_SLEEP is needed
> > kick the priority of a process all the way to MAX_BONUS-1 and boost the
> > sleep_avg, regardless of what the prior sleep_avg was.
> >
> > So if there is a cpu hog that has long sleeps occasionally, once it woke
> > up, its priority will get boosted close to maximum, likely starving out
> > other processes for a while till its sleep_avg gets reduced.  This
> > behavior seems like something to avoid according to the original code
> > comment.  Are we boosting the priority too quickly?
> 
> Two things strike me here. I'll explain them in the patch below.
> 
> How's this look?
> ---
> The relationship between INTERACTIVE_SLEEP and the ceiling is not perfect
> and not explicit enough. The sleep boost is not supposed to be any larger
> than without this code and the comment is not clear enough about what exactly
> it does, just the reason it does it.
> 
> There is a ceiling to the priority beyond which tasks that only ever sleep
> for very long periods cannot surpass.


It looks bad.  I don't like it. The priority boost is even more peculiar
in this patch.


> --- linux-2.6.17-rc4-mm1.orig/kernel/sched.c	2006-05-17 15:57:49.000000000 +1000
> +++ linux-2.6.17-rc4-mm1/kernel/sched.c	2006-05-17 18:19:29.000000000 +1000
> @@ -904,20 +904,14 @@ static int recalc_task_prio(task_t *p, u
>  	}
>  
>  	if (likely(sleep_time > 0)) {
> -		/*
> -		 * User tasks that sleep a long time are categorised as
> -		 * idle. They will only have their sleep_avg increased to a
> -		 * level that makes them just interactive priority to stay
> -		 * active yet prevent them suddenly becoming cpu hogs and
> -		 * starving other processes.
> -		 */
> -		if (p->mm && sleep_time > INTERACTIVE_SLEEP(p)) {
> -				unsigned long ceiling;
> +		unsigned long ceiling = INTERACTIVE_SLEEP(p);
>  
> -				ceiling = JIFFIES_TO_NS(MAX_SLEEP_AVG -
> -					DEF_TIMESLICE);
> -				if (p->sleep_avg < ceiling)
> -					p->sleep_avg = ceiling;
> +		if (p->mm && sleep_time > ceiling && p->sleep_avg < ceiling) {
> +			/*
> +			 * Prevents user tasks from achieving best priority
> +			 * with one single large enough sleep.
> +			 */
> +			p->sleep_avg = ceiling;


The assignment of p->sleep_avg = ceiling doesn't make much logical sense.
Because INTERACTIVE_SLEEP is scaled proportionally with nice value, e.g.
the lower the nice value, the lower the interactive_sleep.  However, priority
calculation is inverse of p->sleep_avg, e.g. the smaller the sleep_avg, the
smaller the bonus, thus the higher dynamic priority.

Take one concrete example: for a prolonged sleep, say 1 second, nice(-10)
will have a priority boost of 4 while nice(0) will have a priority boost of
9. The ceiling algorithm looks like is reversed. I would think kernel should
at least enforce same ceiling value independent of nice value.

- Ken

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-05-17 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-08 23:18 Regression seen for patch "sched:dont decrease idle sleep avg" Tim Chen
2006-05-09  0:43 ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-09  1:07   ` Martin Bligh
2006-05-12  0:04   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-13 12:27     ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-13 13:07       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-14 16:03     ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-15 19:01       ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-15 23:45         ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-16  1:22           ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-16  1:44             ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-16  4:10           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-16 23:32           ` Tim Chen
2006-05-17  4:25             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-17  4:45               ` Peter Williams
2006-05-17  5:24                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-17  8:23             ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-17  9:49               ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-17 10:25                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-17 11:42                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-17 12:46                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-17 13:41                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-17 15:10                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-17 17:21                           ` Ray Lee
2006-05-17 19:33               ` Chen, Kenneth W [this message]
2006-05-18  0:35                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-18  1:10                   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-18  1:38                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-18  5:44                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-18  5:52                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-18  7:04                           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-18 12:59                             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-19  1:10                               ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-18 23:17                           ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-19  1:30                             ` [PATCH] sched: fix interactive ceiling code Con Kolivas
2006-05-19  2:02                               ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-19  9:40                               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-19 14:37                               ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-19 16:19                                 ` tim_c_chen
2006-05-18 23:34                           ` Regression seen for patch "sched:dont decrease idle sleep avg" Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-19  1:07                             ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-16  4:07         ` Mike Galbraith
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-05-18  4:01 Al Boldi

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