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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Linux Kernel Developers List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, w@1wt.eu, ewust@umich.edu,
	zakir@umich.edu, greg@kroah.com, mpm@selenic.com,
	nadiah@cs.ucsd.edu, jhalderm@umich.edu, tglx@linutronix.de,
	davem@davemloft.net, DJ Johnston <dj.johnston@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/10] random: add new get_random_bytes_arch() function
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:24:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5010B86F.1080108@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5010B683.1010708@zytor.com>

On 07/25/2012 08:16 PM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 07/25/2012 08:10 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
>> Aside from whether it's better to do this step in
>> xfer_secondary_pool() or extract_entropy() ...
>
> By the way, I looked at doing this in xfer_secondary_pool()... the
> problem there is that xfer_secondary_pool() is called exactly once per
> invocation of extract_entropy() and so there is no way to make it inject
> the same amount of material as it consumes.
>
> One could put it in extract_entropy[_user]() and if you prefer I'll
> rewrite the patch to do that, however that code would look very similar
> to the one in extract_buf() -- pretty much the same code in the caller
> rather than the callee -- but would have the same downside with being
> processed on 10-byte chunks because the final buffer might be misaligned
> and/or partial.  It would mean just running it once rather than twice
> per output datum, but I actually expected you would prefer the
> additional mashing and security margin.
>

One final reason for this (although this would work in extract_buf() as 
well): the Bull Mountain internal buffer size is 16 bytes long.  This 
means that the interleaving of the buffer operation and the RDRAND pulls 
makes it quite likely that the output of RDRAND used will be 100% 
entropic, since the SHA-1 operations will typically take much longer 
than the RDRAND automatic reseed interval.

	-hpa

-- 
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel.  I don't speak on their behalf.


  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-26  3:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-05 18:12 [PATCH 00/10] /dev/random fixups Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 01/10] random: make 'add_interrupt_randomness()' do something sane Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:47   ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 18:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 21:39       ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 21:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 22:00           ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 22:21             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 22:31               ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 22:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 23:21                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-06  2:59                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-06 13:01                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-06 16:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-06 16:52                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-09 19:15                           ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-25 18:43                         ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]   ` <CAGsuqq2MWuFnY7PMb_2ddBNNJr80xB_JW+Wryq3mhhmQuEojpg@mail.gmail.com>
2012-07-06 21:59     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 02/10] random: use lockless techniques when mixing entropy pools Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:18   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 18:19   ` Greg KH
2012-07-05 23:09     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 19:10   ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 19:47     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 20:45       ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 03/10] random: create add_device_randomness() interface Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 04/10] usb: feed USB device information to the /dev/random driver Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 05/10] net: feed /dev/random with the MAC address when registering a device Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 06/10] random: use the arch-specific rng in xfer_secondary_pool Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:49   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 07/10] random: add new get_random_bytes_arch() function Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 19:50     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 21:45     ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-25  3:37   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-25  7:22     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-07-25 15:10     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-25 15:19       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-25 17:37       ` [PATCH] random: mix in architectural randomness in extract_buf() H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-25 23:50         ` Ben Hutchings
2012-07-26  0:32           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-28  2:39         ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-28  2:48           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-26  3:16       ` [PATCH 07/10] random: add new get_random_bytes_arch() function H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-26  3:24         ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 08/10] random: unify mix_pool_bytes() and mix_pool_bytes_entropy() Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 09/10] random: add tracepoints for easier debugging and verification Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 10/10] MAINTAINERS: Theodore Ts'o is taking over the random driver Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-06 11:40 ` [PATCH 00/10] /dev/random fixups Fengguang Wu
2012-07-06 12:44   ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-20 20:15 ` [PATCH] dmi: Feed DMI table to /dev/random driver Tony Luck
2012-07-20 21:03   ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-21  0:56   ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-21  1:19     ` Tony Luck
2012-07-21  2:02       ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-23 16:47         ` [PATCH] random: Add comment to random_initialize() Tony Luck

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