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From: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
To: Pantelis Antoniou <panto@antoniou-consulting.com>
Cc: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>,
	Deepak Saxena <dsaxena@linaro.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>, Kevin Hilman <khilman@ti.com>,
	Matt Porter <mporter@ti.com>,
	Koen Kooi <koen@dominion.thruhere.net>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>, Russ Dill <Russ.Dill@ti.com>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Device Tree Overlays Proposal (Was Re: capebus moving omap_devices to mach-omap2)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:18:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <509A97D0.5010006@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5A5C45CB-CDF8-4D93-8698-46A27143ABFA@antoniou-consulting.com>

On 11/07/2012 01:47 AM, Pantelis Antoniou wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:37 PM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> 
>> On 11/05/2012 01:40 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> As promised, here is my early draft to try and capture what device
>>> tree overlays need to do and how to get there. Comments and
>>> suggestions greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Interesting. This just came up internally at NVIDIA within the last
>> couple weeks, and was discussed on the U-Boot mailing list very recently
>> too:
>>
>> http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-October/thread.html#138227
>> (it spills into the November archive too)
> 
> I am aware of this discussion. For our use case u-boot DT manipulation was
> tried, but then abandoned. Asking our user base to modify anything in u-boot
> was ruled out.
>  
>>
>>> For these cases it is proposed to implement an overlay feature for the
>>> so that the initial device tree data can be modified by userspace at
>>
>> I don't know if you're maintaining this as a document and taking patches
>> to it, but if so:
>>
>> "for the so" split across those two lines.
>>
>>> Jane solves this problem by storing an FDT overlay for each cape in the
>>> root filesystem. When the kernel detects that a cape is installed it
>>> reads the cape's eeprom to identify it and uses request_firmware() to
>>> obtain the appropriate overlay. Userspace passes the overlay to the
>>> kernel in the normal way. If the cape doesn't have an eeprom, then the
>>> kernel will still use firmware_request(), but userspace needs to already
>>> know which cape is installed.
>>
>> As mentioned by Pantelis, multiple versions of a board is also very
>> common. We already have the following .dts files in the kernel where
>> this applies, for the main board even:
>>
>> arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra30-cardhu.dtsi
>> arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra30-cardhu-a02.dts
>> arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra30-cardhu-a04.dts
> 
> Exactly. I've made this point in another email, but IMHO board-revision
> management is exactly the same with cape revision management.
> 
> Ideally you'd like to get rid of those three, and replace it with only
> one that's properly versioned.

I don't expect we would ever get rid of some of those .dts files; there
is after all a common subset that applies to all boards, and an
incremental difference that applies to only A02/3, and another for
A04/5/... Representing those as separate source files seems appropriate
to me. If we try and dump all the multiple versions into a single file
with some markup indicating which version of the board some sub-sections
of the .dts apply to, I think we'll end up with rather complex .dts
files. In this case, the simple overlay model works extremely well.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-07 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-05 20:40 [RFC] Device Tree Overlays Proposal (Was Re: capebus moving omap_devices to mach-omap2) Grant Likely
2012-11-05 21:40 ` Tabi Timur-B04825
2012-11-05 23:22   ` Tony Lindgren
2012-11-09 12:06     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06  0:07   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 10:31   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 22:35   ` Ryan Mallon
2012-11-08 13:28     ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-08 14:09       ` Timur Tabi
2012-11-08 17:00       ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-06 10:30 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 11:14   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 18:35     ` Tony Lindgren
2012-11-06 19:29       ` Russ Dill
2012-11-06 19:41         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 22:17           ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-06 19:34     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 20:45       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 20:50         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07  8:06         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 15:33           ` Alan Tull
2012-11-09 17:03           ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07  8:13         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 10:19           ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 11:02             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 11:12               ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 11:23                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-09 20:33               ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:34                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 13:01                   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07 17:25             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-07 22:10               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-08 10:36               ` Cousson, Benoit
2012-11-09  5:32   ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 14:29     ` David Gibson
2012-11-10  3:15       ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 21:22     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:47       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  3:59       ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 22:59     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]   ` <-4237940489086529028@unknownmsgid>
     [not found]     ` <559B8433-67C3-4A1A-A5D6-859907655176@antoniou-consulting.com>
2012-11-10  3:36       ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-12 12:48         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  2:28         ` David Gibson
2012-11-06 22:37 ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-07  0:54   ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-09 17:02     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:29       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07  8:47   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 17:18     ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2012-11-07 22:08       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-09 16:28   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-09 23:23     ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:40       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 10:53         ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-12 12:10       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 16:52         ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13  7:25           ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  8:09             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13 12:24               ` Grant Likely
2012-11-13 13:38                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-15  4:57                   ` David Gibson
2012-11-13 17:10               ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13 23:30               ` David Gibson
2012-11-14  0:00                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13 16:57             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13 18:10               ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-13 18:29                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13 19:09                   ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-13 19:11                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-17 22:27       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-11-20 17:09         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-11 20:47     ` Rob Landley
2012-11-12 12:50       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 16:54         ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 11:23     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 16:49       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:00         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 17:10           ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:19             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 17:29               ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:38                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 20:16       ` Russ Dill
2012-11-12 16:45     ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09  2:26 ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 15:40   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  0:03     ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 21:08   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-13  0:05     ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 21:42   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-13  1:05     ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  5:22       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13  6:54         ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 22:57   ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:27     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 12:05     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-09 23:14   ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:06 ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:32   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:03 ` Koen Kooi

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