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From: "Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	mingo@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, namhyung@kernel.org,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, oleg@redhat.com, sbw@mit.edu,
	amit.kucheria@linaro.org, rostedt@goodmis.org, rjw@sisk.pl,
	wangyun@linux.vnet.ibm.com, xiaoguangrong@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 1/9] CPU hotplug: Provide APIs to prevent CPU offline from atomic context
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:54:01 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50C23441.7020309@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121207175724.GA2821@htj.dyndns.org>

On 12/07/2012 11:27 PM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 11:08:13PM +0530, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
>> 4. No deadlock possibilities
>>
>>    Per-cpu locking is not the way to go if we want to have relaxed rules
>>    for lock-ordering. Because, we can end up in circular-locking dependencies
>>    as explained in https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/6/290
>>
>>    So, avoid per-cpu locking schemes (per-cpu locks/per-cpu atomic counters
>>    with spin-on-contention etc) as much as possible.
> 
> I really can't say I like this approach.  percpu locking is very
> tricky to get right and difficult to get right and we should try our
> best to avoid implementing subsystem specific ones as much as
> possible.  Also, I think the right approach would be auditing each
> get_online_cpus_atomic() callsites and figure out proper locking order
> rather than implementing a construct this unusual especially as
> hunting down the incorrect cases shouldn't be difficult given proper
> lockdep annotation.
> 
> lg_lock doesn't do local nesting and I'm not sure how big a deal that
> is as I don't know how many should be converted.  But if nesting is an
> absolute necessity, it would be much better to implement generic
> rwlock variant (say, lg_rwlock) rather than implementing unusual
> cpuhotplug-specific percpu synchronization construct.
>

To be honest, at a certain point in time while designing this, I did
realize that this was getting kinda overly complicated ;-) ... but I
wanted to see how this would actually work out when finished and get
some feedback on the same, hence I posted it out. But this also proves
that we _can_ actually compete with the flexibility of preempt_disable()
and still be safe with respect to locking, if we really want to ;-)

Regards,
Srivatsa S. Bhat


  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-12-07 18:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-07 17:37 [RFC PATCH v3 0/9] CPU hotplug: stop_machine()-free CPU hotplug Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-07 17:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/9] CPU hotplug: Provide APIs to prevent CPU offline from atomic context Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-07 17:57   ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-07 18:16     ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-07 18:33       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-07 18:24     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat [this message]
2012-12-07 18:31       ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-07 18:38         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-09 19:14   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-12-09 19:50     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-09 20:22       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-12-10  4:28         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-10 17:24           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-12-11 13:13             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-11 13:47               ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-11 14:02                 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-11 14:07                   ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-11 16:28                     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-09 21:13       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-12-10  5:01         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-10 17:28           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-12-11 13:05             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-09 20:57   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-12-10  5:19     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-10 18:15       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-12-11 13:04         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-07 17:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/9] CPU hotplug: Convert preprocessor macros to static inline functions Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-07 17:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/9] smp, cpu hotplug: Fix smp_call_function_*() to prevent CPU offline properly Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-07 17:39 ` [RFC PATCH v3 4/9] smp, cpu hotplug: Fix on_each_cpu_*() " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-07 17:39 ` [RFC PATCH v3 5/9] sched, cpu hotplug: Use stable online cpus in try_to_wake_up() & select_task_rq() Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-07 17:39 ` [RFC PATCH v3 6/9] kick_process(), cpu-hotplug: Prevent offlining of target CPU properly Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-07 17:39 ` [RFC PATCH v3 7/9] yield_to(), cpu-hotplug: Prevent offlining of other CPUs properly Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-09 19:48   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-12-09 19:57     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-09 20:40       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-12-10  4:04         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-07 17:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 8/9] kvm, vmx: Add atomic synchronization with CPU Hotplug Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-07 17:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 9/9] cpu: No more __stop_machine() in _cpu_down() Srivatsa S. Bhat

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