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From: Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>
To: Morten Rasmussen <Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 17/22] sched: packing small tasks in wake/exec balancing
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:32:49 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50F657A1.1080102@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130114170048.GB8528@e103034-lin>

On 01/15/2013 01:00 AM, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
>>> Why multiply rq->util by nr_running?
>>> > > 
>>> > > Let's take an example where rq->util = 50, nr_running = 2, and putil =
>>> > > 10. In this case the value of putil doesn't really matter as vacancy
>>> > > would be negative anyway since FULL_UTIL - rq->util * nr_running is -1.
>>> > > However, with rq->util = 50 there should be plenty of spare cpu time to
>>> > > take another task.
>> > 
>> > for this example, the util is not full maybe due to it was just wake up,
>> > it still is possible like to run full time. So, I try to give it the
>> > large guess load.
> I don't see why rq->util should be treated different depending on the
> number of tasks causing the load. rq->util = 50 means that the cpu is
> busy about 50% of the time no matter how many tasks contibute to that
> load.
> 
> If nr_running = 1 instead in my example, you would consider the cpu
> vacant if putil = 6, but if nr_running > 1 you would not. Why should the
> two scenarios be treated differently?
> 
>>> > > 
>>> > > Also, why multiply putil by 8? rq->util must be very close to 0 for
>>> > > vacancy to be positive if putil is close to 12 (12.5%).
>> > 
>> > just want to pack small util tasks, since packing is possible to hurt
>> > performance.
> I agree that packing may affect performance. But why don't you reduce
> FULL_UTIL instead of multiplying by 8? With current expression you will
> not pack a 10% task if rq->util = 20 and nr_running = 1, but you would
> pack a 6% task even if rq->util = 50 and the resulting cpu load is much
> higher.
> 

Yes, the threshold has no strong theory or experiment support. I had
tried cyclitest which Vicent used, the case's load avg is too small to
be caught. so just use half of Vicent value as 12.5%. If you has more
reasonable value, let me know.

As to nr_running engaged as multiple mode. it's base on 2 reasons.
1, load avg/util need 345ms to accumulate as 100%. so, if a tasks is
cost full cpu time, it still has 345ms with rq->util < 1.
2, if there are more tasks, like 2 tasks running on one cpu, it's
possible to has capacity to burn 200% cpu time, while the biggest
rq->util is still 100%.

Consider to figure out precise utils is complicate and cost much. I do
this simple calculation. It is not very precise, but it is efficient and
more bias toward performance.

-- 
Thanks Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-16  7:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-05  8:37 [PATCH V3 0/22] sched: simplified fork, enable load average into LB and power awareness scheduling Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 01/22] sched: set SD_PREFER_SIBLING on MC domain to reduce a domain level Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 02/22] sched: select_task_rq_fair clean up Alex Shi
2013-01-11  4:57   ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 03/22] sched: fix find_idlest_group mess logical Alex Shi
2013-01-11  4:59   ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 04/22] sched: don't need go to smaller sched domain Alex Shi
2013-01-09 17:38   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-10  3:16     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-01-11  5:02   ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 05/22] sched: remove domain iterations in fork/exec/wake Alex Shi
2013-01-09 18:21   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11  2:46     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-11 10:07       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11 14:50         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14  8:55         ` li guang
2013-01-14  9:18           ` Alex Shi
2013-01-11  4:56     ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-11  8:01       ` li guang
2013-01-11 14:56         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14  9:03           ` li guang
2013-01-15  2:34             ` Alex Shi
2013-01-16  1:54               ` li guang
2013-01-11 10:54       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-16  5:43       ` Alex Shi
2013-01-16  7:41         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 06/22] sched: load tracking bug fix Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 07/22] sched: set initial load avg of new forked task Alex Shi
2013-01-11  5:10   ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-11  5:44     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 08/22] sched: update cpu load after task_tick Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 09/22] sched: compute runnable load avg in cpu_load and cpu_avg_load_per_task Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:56   ` Alex Shi
2013-01-06  7:54     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-06 18:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-07  7:00         ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-08 14:27         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-11  6:31         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-21 14:47           ` Alex Shi
2013-01-22  3:20             ` Alex Shi
2013-01-22  6:55               ` Mike Galbraith
2013-01-22  7:50                 ` Alex Shi
2013-01-22  9:52                   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-01-23  0:36                     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-23  1:47                       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-01-23  2:01                         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 10/22] sched: consider runnable load average in move_tasks Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 11/22] sched: consider runnable load average in effective_load Alex Shi
2013-01-10 11:28   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11  3:26     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14 12:01       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-16  5:30         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 12/22] Revert "sched: Introduce temporary FAIR_GROUP_SCHED dependency for load-tracking" Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 13/22] sched: add sched_policy in kernel Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 14/22] sched: add sched_policy and it's sysfs interface Alex Shi
2013-01-14  6:53   ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-14  8:11     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 15/22] sched: log the cpu utilization at rq Alex Shi
2013-01-10 11:40   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11  3:30     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14 13:59       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-16  5:53         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 16/22] sched: add power aware scheduling in fork/exec/wake Alex Shi
2013-01-10 15:01   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11  7:08     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14 16:09       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-16  6:02         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-16 14:27           ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-17  5:47             ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-18 13:41               ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14  7:03   ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-14  8:30     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 17/22] sched: packing small tasks in wake/exec balancing Alex Shi
2013-01-10 17:17   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11  3:47     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14  7:13       ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-16  6:11         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-16 12:52           ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-14 17:00       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-16  7:32         ` Alex Shi [this message]
2013-01-16 15:08           ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-18 14:06             ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 18/22] sched: add power/performance balance allowed flag Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 19/22] sched: pull all tasks from source group Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 20/22] sched: don't care if the local group has capacity Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 21/22] sched: power aware load balance, Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 22/22] sched: lazy powersaving balance Alex Shi
2013-01-14  8:39   ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-14  8:45     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-09 17:16 ` [PATCH V3 0/22] sched: simplified fork, enable load average into LB and power awareness scheduling Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-10  3:49   ` Alex Shi

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