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From: Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>
To: Corey Minyard <minyard@acm.org>
Cc: lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4.21-rc3 - ipmi unresolved
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:54:30 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5110.1053921270@kao2.melbourne.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 25 May 2003 22:37:17 EST." <3ED18BED.40407@acm.org>

On Sun, 25 May 2003 22:37:17 -0500, 
Corey Minyard <minyard@acm.org> wrote:
>Keith Owens wrote:
>>Danger Will Robinson: panic notification to modules is racy.
>>
>>Registering via panic_notifier_list does not bump the module use count,
>>a panic can occur while a module is being unloaded and you are dead.
>>No big deal for panic, you are already dying, but it is just a symptom
>>of a larger problem, yet another uncounted reference to module code.
>>_ANY_ notifier callback to a module is racy, think very carefully
>>before exporting any XXX_notifier_list.
>>
>>I would go so far as to say that no XXX_notifier_list should be
>>exported, that includes notifier_chain_register() itself.  If a module
>>needs to be notified then it should have glue code in the main kernel
>>that does try_inc_mod_count() on the module before calling any module
>>functions.
>>
>Although, as you noted, this one is not a problem, you are probably
>right in general.
>
>However, having every modules that uses a notifier list have its own
>custom code in the kernel is probably not a very good option, either.
>It makes things messy and adds unneeded bloat to the kernel.
>
>Would it be possible to have a notifier_chain_register_module() that did
>the job generically?

notifier_chain_register_module() is possible, just pass __THIS_MODULE
and the code that runs the notifier chain does try_inc_mod_count()
before making the upcall.  But that new function cannot be mixed with
notifier_chain_register(), it has to be a complete replacement.  Not
going to happen in 2.4.

I considered making notifier_chain_register() a macro which called
notifier_chain_register_module() with __THIS_MODULE, but that assumes
that all calls to notifier_chain_register() are local, i.e. from the
top level functions.  Alas there are any service routines that call
notifier_chain_register() on behalf of their caller, so the macro
approach will result in the wrong value for __THIS_MODULE.

>Or maybe if notifier_chain_unregister() did a
>synchronize_kernel()
>(the RCU call to wait until everything is clear) would that be good
>enough?  It would
>only work if all the notifier chain calls where done while the kernel
>was unpreemptable,
>if I understand this correctly.  I realize the RCU option is not
>available in 2.4, though.

notifier_chain_unregister() is not a problem, that is a downcall from
the module into the kernel when the module is going away, downcalls are
"always" safe.  The race is a module that has started to unload, and
another cpu (or even the same cpu under some circumstances) runs the
notifier chain, doing an upcall from the kernel into a module without
locking or refcounts.  Given the right timing, the notifier code could
even branch to a module that has been completely removed.  Note that
notifier_call_chain() has no locking, so it is also racy against
notifier_chain_unregister().


  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-26  3:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-22 22:19 Linux 2.4.21-rc3 Marcelo Tosatti
2003-05-22 23:46 ` J.A. Magallon
2003-05-26 17:04   ` Alan Cox
2003-05-23  0:51 ` Barry K. Nathan
2003-05-23  5:32   ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-05-23  7:04     ` [BUG] 2.[45] ioperm fix seems broken (was Re: Linux 2.4.21-rc3) Barry K. Nathan
2003-05-23  9:00       ` Barry K. Nathan
2003-05-23  8:27 ` Linux 2.4.21-rc3 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-05-23 13:38 ` Linux 2.4.21-rc3 - ipmi unresolved Eyal Lebedinsky
2003-05-23 13:41   ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-05-26  2:09     ` Corey Minyard
2003-05-25  7:57   ` Keith Owens
2003-05-26  3:37     ` Corey Minyard
2003-05-26  3:54       ` Keith Owens [this message]
2003-05-27  0:30         ` Corey Minyard
2003-05-27  3:09           ` Keith Owens
2003-05-27  4:45             ` Registering for notifier chains in modules (was Linux 2.4.21-rc3 - ipmi unresolved) Corey Minyard
2003-05-27  5:30               ` Keith Owens
2003-05-27 14:48                 ` Corey Minyard
2003-05-27 16:02                   ` viro
2003-05-27 17:09                     ` Corey Minyard
2003-05-28  0:15                       ` Keith Owens
2003-05-26 17:08     ` Linux 2.4.21-rc3 - ipmi unresolved Alan Cox
2003-05-23 21:10 ` Linux 2.4.21-rc3 [net-pf-4, devfs audio, drm radeon] Gabor Z. Papp
2003-05-25 17:36 ` Linux 2.4.21-rc3 : IDE pb on Alpha Willy Tarreau
2003-05-25 17:00   ` Willy Tarreau
2003-05-25 20:37     ` Mike Fedyk
2003-05-25 20:45       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-05-25 20:55         ` Mike Fedyk
2003-05-25 21:23           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-05-26  7:28 ` Linux 2.4.21-rc3: doesn't build with CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_ONLY=y Jerome Chantelauze
2003-05-26 13:16 ` Linux 2.4.21-rc3 Santiago Garcia Mantinan
2003-05-27  1:14   ` Jeff Chua

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