From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752763Ab3BMGNp (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Feb 2013 01:13:45 -0500 Received: from terminus.zytor.com ([198.137.202.10]:33150 "EHLO mail.zytor.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751896Ab3BMGNn (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Feb 2013 01:13:43 -0500 Message-ID: <511B2EB9.5070406@zytor.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:12:09 -0800 From: "H. Peter Anvin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130110 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Garrett CC: Borislav Petkov , Kees Cook , LKML , Thomas Gleixner , Ingo Molnar , "x86@kernel.org" , "linux-efi@vger.kernel.org" , linux-security-module Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Lock down MSR writing in secure boot References: <1360355671.18083.18.camel@x230.lan> <51157C9C.6030501@zytor.com> <20130208230655.GB28990@pd.tnic> <1360366012.18083.21.camel@x230.lan> <5115A4CC.3080102@zytor.com> <1360373383.18083.23.camel@x230.lan> <20130209092925.GA17728@pd.tnic> <1360422712.18083.24.camel@x230.lan> <511AE2CC.5040705@zytor.com> <1360733962.18083.30.camel@x230.lan> In-Reply-To: <1360733962.18083.30.camel@x230.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 02/12/2013 09:39 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Tue, 2013-02-12 at 16:48 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > >> OK... what none of this gets into: >> >> Why should CAP_RAWIO be allowed on a secure boot system, when there are >> 2^n known ways of compromise a system with CAP_RAWIO? > > CAP_SYS_RAWIO seems to have ended up being a catchall of "Maybe someone > who isn't entirely root should be able to do this", and not everything > it covers is equivalent to being able to compromise the running kernel. > I wouldn't argue with the idea that maybe we should just reappraise most > of the current uses of CAP_SYS_RAWIO, but removing capability checks > from places that currently have them seems like an invitation for > userspace breakage. > Sounds like you are thinking of CAP_SYS_ADMIN, but I don't really see a huge difference between MSRs and I/O control registers... just different address spaces. -hpa -- H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center I work for Intel. I don't speak on their behalf.