From: Chris Friesen <chris.friesen@genband.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
keyrings@linux-nfs.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:21:03 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <512E5C9F.2050800@genband.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130227175947.GA16966@thunk.org>
On 02/27/2013 11:59 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:36:09AM -0600, Chris Friesen wrote:
>> ...
>> At this point you've got a running infected Win8 install that is
>> running on Secure Boot hardware but is actually running malware.
>>
>> Admittedly this would be tricky to do reliably in a way that the
>> user doesn't notice, so it may not actually be a real-world threat.
>
> That's another thing which is extraordinarily vague. What counts as
> "user doesn't notice"? If a whole bunch of kernel messages scroll by,
> is that enough? What if a Penguin jpg shows up for a minimum 5
> seconds? 15 seconds? 30 seconds?
I think it'd need to be "doesn't notice operationally when running the
virtualized Windows install".
Anyone going through all the trouble to virtualize an existing install
could probably arrange to have the target computer do the conversion at
a time when nobody is likely to be around.
Chris
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-02-27 19:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-02-21 15:47 [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries David Howells
2013-02-21 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 16:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 16:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 17:49 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:11 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-22 14:05 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-25 14:46 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 15:50 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 16:14 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 16:20 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-26 21:40 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 22:19 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-21 18:17 ` David Howells
2013-02-21 18:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 14:33 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:34 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 18:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 19:10 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 19:10 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:31 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-21 20:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:38 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18 2:12 ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-03-19 18:11 ` David Howells
2013-03-20 16:52 ` David Howells
2013-03-20 23:28 ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-02-21 20:08 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-25 14:28 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:08 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 23:51 ` David Howells
2013-02-26 0:59 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 2:33 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:02 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 3:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:25 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 3:28 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26 3:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26 3:48 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 4:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26 4:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 15:30 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-26 15:38 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-27 17:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-02-26 21:30 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 21:40 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26 22:35 ` Al Viro
2013-02-26 3:40 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 3:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:49 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 19:30 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:41 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:31 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 3:38 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:54 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 4:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 4:13 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 4:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 4:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26 4:59 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:57 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-26 22:06 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 12:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-27 12:43 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 14:14 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26 4:25 ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26 4:45 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 4:55 ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26 6:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 6:38 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 10:07 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-26 10:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 16:45 ` Kent Yoder
2013-02-26 16:54 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 15:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 17:36 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 17:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:21 ` Chris Friesen [this message]
2013-02-27 19:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:14 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-27 21:31 ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-28 6:27 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-28 7:48 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-26 19:40 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:46 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 4:50 ` Greg KH
2013-02-28 7:57 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 15:43 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-28 19:26 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 19:41 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:53 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 20:23 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 20:31 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 15:11 ` David Howells
2013-02-26 16:50 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 13:34 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-26 14:16 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-27 9:35 ` ownssh
2013-02-27 10:17 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 11:27 ` Alexander Holler
2013-02-27 11:49 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 14:56 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 20:35 ` ownssh
2013-03-01 18:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01 18:39 ` Gene Heskett
2013-02-28 22:48 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 22:51 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:02 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:45 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:47 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:52 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01 0:00 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01 0:08 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01 10:00 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2013-03-01 14:30 ` Theodore Ts'o
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