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From: Michael Wang <wangyun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Nikunj A. Dadhania" <nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: wake-affine throttle
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:01:44 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <516651C8.307@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51652F43.7000300@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On 04/10/2013 05:22 PM, Michael Wang wrote:
> Hi, Peter
> 
> Thanks for your reply :)
> 
> On 04/10/2013 04:51 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 11:30 +0800, Michael Wang wrote:
>>> | 15 GB   |      32 | 35918 |   | 37632 | +4.77% | 47923 | +33.42% |
>>> 52241 | +45.45%
>>
>> So I don't get this... is wake_affine() once every milisecond _that_
>> expensive?
>>
>> Seeing we get a 45%!! improvement out of once every 100ms that would
>> mean we're like spending 1/3rd of our time in wake_affine()? that's
>> preposterous. So what's happening?
> 
> Not all the regression was caused by overhead, adopt curr_cpu not
> prev_cpu for select_idle_sibling() is a more important reason for the
> regression of pgbench.
> 
> In other word, for pgbench, we waste time in wake_affine() and make the
> wrong decision at most of the time, the previously patch show
> wake_affine() do pull unrelated tasks together, that's good if current
> cpu still cached hot data for wakee, but that's not the case of the
> workload like pgbench.

Please let me know if I failed to express my thought clearly.

I know it's hard to figure out why throttle could bring so many benefit,
since the wake-affine stuff is a black box with too many unmeasurable
factors, but that's actually the reason why we finally figure out this
throttle idea, not the approach like wakeup-buddy, although both of them
help to stop the regression.

It's fortunate that there is a benchmark could help to find out the
regression, and now we have a simple and efficient approach ready for
action ;-)

Regards,
Michael Wang

> 
> The workload just don't satisfied the decision changed by wake-affine,
> the more wake-affine active, the more it suffered, that's why 100ms show
> better results than 1ms, but when reached some rate, the benefit and
> lost of wake-affine will be balanced.
> 
> Regards,
> Michael Wang
> 
>>
>>
>>
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-11  6:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-10  3:30 [PATCH] sched: wake-affine throttle Michael Wang
2013-04-10  4:16 ` Alex Shi
2013-04-10  5:11   ` Michael Wang
2013-04-10  5:27     ` Alex Shi
2013-04-10  8:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-10  9:22   ` Michael Wang
2013-04-11  6:01     ` Michael Wang [this message]
2013-04-11  7:30       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-04-11  8:26         ` Michael Wang
2013-04-11  8:44           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-04-11  9:00             ` Mike Galbraith
2013-04-11  9:02             ` Michael Wang
2013-04-12  3:17   ` Michael Wang
2013-04-22  4:21 ` Michael Wang
2013-04-22  5:27   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-04-22  6:19     ` Michael Wang
2013-04-22 10:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-22 10:35   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-04-23  4:05     ` Michael Wang
2013-04-22 17:49   ` Paul Turner
2013-04-23  4:01   ` Michael Wang
2013-04-27  2:46   ` Michael Wang
2013-05-02  5:48   ` Michael Wang
2013-05-02  7:10     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-05-02  7:36       ` Michael Wang
2013-05-03  3:46 ` Michael Wang
2013-05-03  5:01   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-05-03  5:57     ` Michael Wang
2013-05-03  6:14       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-05-04  2:20         ` Michael Wang
2013-05-07  2:46   ` Michael Wang
2013-05-13  2:27     ` Michael Wang
2013-05-16  7:40   ` Michael Wang
2013-05-16  7:45 ` Michael Wang
2013-05-21  3:20 ` [PATCH v2] " Michael Wang
2013-05-21  6:47   ` Alex Shi
2013-05-21  6:52     ` Michael Wang
2013-05-22  8:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-22  9:25     ` Michael Wang
2013-05-22 14:55       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-05-23  2:12         ` Michael Wang
2013-05-28  5:02         ` Michael Wang
2013-05-28  6:29           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-05-28  7:22             ` Michael Wang
2013-05-28  8:49               ` Mike Galbraith
2013-05-28  8:56                 ` Michael Wang

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