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From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Fish <afish@apple.com>,
	edk2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [edk2] Corrupted EFI region
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 09:26:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5200A541.7050203@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1375743157.18481.14.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com>

On 08/06/13 00:52, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-08-05 at 23:55 +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>> On 08/05/13 23:41, Borislav Petkov wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 02:37:08PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>>> All of this would be a non-problem if there weren't buggy
>>>> implementations which can't run *without* SetVirtualAddressMap().
>>>
>>> Oh, you mean, if we were to call the runtime services through their
>>> physical addresses?
>>
>> I heard that there was a (U)EFI firmware implementation that didn't even
>> implement SetVirtualAddressMap(). It was okay because the main OS for
>> that platform didn't want to call it, it thunked to physical mode for
>> each runtime service call.
>>
>> (This is not hearsay; I'm omitting the specifics because I'm not sure if
>> I'm allowed to give any. I've heard about this stuff from a direct
>> colleague who used to work on these systems.)
> 
> That's actually the way all non-x86 unix systems operate.  If you look
> in the firmware mechanisms for almost every non-x86 system in the Linux
> kernel architecture directories they do this if they have to access
> firmware from Linux (we do it a lot on parisc to get the IODC to give us
> the device inventory for instance).
> 
> I strongly suspect the origin of this weirdness is that once upon a time
> windows didn't run with a separated address space and so needed a way of
> accessing firmware in the same address space, hence the pointer
> relocation trick, but even windows hasn't needed this for a while.

Thank you for educating me.
Laszlo


      reply	other threads:[~2013-08-06  7:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-31 20:54 Corrupted EFI region Borislav Petkov
2013-07-31 20:58 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-07-31 21:51   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-31 21:54     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-08-01 16:51       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-31 21:55 ` David Woodhouse
2013-08-01 16:49   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 11:27     ` [edk2] " Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 13:02       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 13:39         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 14:03           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 14:27             ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 14:40               ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 15:15                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 15:34                   ` James Bottomley
2013-08-05 16:27                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 16:12                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 16:41                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 16:47                       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 17:00                         ` Kinney, Michael D
2013-08-05 17:09                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 21:26                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 22:08                           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-06 14:10                             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-06 15:31                               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-07 15:19                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-07 17:23                                   ` Andrew Fish
2013-08-07 20:19                                     ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-07 20:24                                       ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-07 21:10                                       ` Andrew Fish
2013-08-07 21:23                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-08-08 10:17                                         ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-08 13:46                                           ` Andrew Fish
2013-09-02  8:19                                             ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-13 20:38                                           ` jerry.hoemann
2013-09-16 10:59                                             ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-16 11:50                                               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-09-16 15:57                                                 ` Josh Triplett
2013-09-16 16:25                                                   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-09-16 16:27                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-16 16:29                                                     ` Josh Triplett
2013-09-18 19:24                                               ` jerry.hoemann
2013-09-20  9:06                                                 ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-07 17:49                                   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-08 15:02                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-08 21:45                                       ` Brian J. Johnson
2013-08-18  7:33                                     ` Jordan Justen
2013-08-05 15:50                 ` Andrew Fish
2013-08-05 18:12                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 21:37                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-05 21:41                       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 21:49                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-05 21:55                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 22:52                           ` James Bottomley
2013-08-06  7:26                             ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]

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