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From: Daniel De Graaf <dgdegra@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Leonidas Da Silva Barbosa <leosilva@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Rajiv Andrade <mail@srajiv.net>,
	Sirrix AG <tpmdd@sirrix.com>
Subject: Re: [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH 09/13] tpm: Pull everything related to sysfs into tpm-sysfs.c
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:28:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5241A199.1080505@tycho.nsa.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130923222324.GA9533@obsidianresearch.com>

On 09/23/2013 06:23 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 06:00:46PM -0400, Daniel De Graaf wrote:
>
>> In a PC client TPM, normal OS code (as opposed to firmware or microcode)
>> is already restricted to locality 0-2. It may make sense to restrict
>> locality 2 to the kernel, which would allow an in-kernel TPM seal
>> command to be able to bind data so that userspace cannot unseal it.
>> However, only allowing localities 0 and 1 to userspace may be too
>> restrictive if userspace also wishes to use locality for separation,
>> since locality 1 does not have the ability to reset any PCRs that
>> locality 0 cannot also reset.
>> The kernel could reserve only locality 1 for its own use, giving it the
>> ability to seal data but not interfering with the ability to reset PCRs.
>> This would be my preference, although it is less intuitive to allow code
>> of lower privilege (userspace) to control the higher numbered locality
>> 2.
>
> This matches my vague understanding (we don't use localities here)
>
>>> Perhaps a .config option would be useful to allow the system designer to
>>> choose what, if any, locality to reserve for kernel use?
>
> A runtime sysfs seems reasonable..

Allowing a userspace application to change which locality is kernel- and
userspace-only will eliminate the primary benefit of having a locality
restricted to the kernel. With the kernel-only locality selected at
compile (or possibly kernel command line) time, a reboot with different
measurements would be required for userspace to gain access to the
locality used to seal a secret intended for use by the kernel alone -
and the secret would presumably be sealed to those original
measurements.

> Would:
>   user_default_locality
>   kernel_default_locality
>   user_allowed_localities (bitmask)
>   supported_localities (bitmask)
>   a GET_LOCALITY/SET_LOCALITY IOCTL to change localities of an open'd
>    /dev/tpmX
>
> Do the job?

At least "supported_localities" should be generated by the driver if it
is generated at all. There are a few different proposals for handling
localities over 4 in virtual TPMs; one is that locality numbers between
32-255 would be permitted and 5-31 made non-addressable. While this
would work with a bitmask, I'm not sure that is the best solution.

Perhaps:
	default_locality - default to CONFIG_USER_DEFAULT_LOCALITY
		sysfs node permissions 0644
	kernel_locality - default to #CONFIG_KERNEL_DEFAULT_LOCALITY
		0444 if CONFIG_KERNEL_ONLY_LOCALITY=y
		0644 if CONFIG_KERNEL_ONLY_LOCALITY=n
	ioctl TPM_{GET,SET}_LOCALITY on an open /dev/tpmX

If CONFIG_KERNEL_ONLY_LOCALITY=y, the userspace locality is not
permitted to be equal to kernel_locality (but may take any other valid
value).  Drivers may reject locality values that they consider invalid
(the default should be to only allow 0-4, which is all that is defined
in the spec) or may fail on attempted use of the TPM by passing down an
error from the hardware - I would expect the latter to be the case on
attempts to use locality 4 in the tpm_tis driver.

> At first glance anyhow. I wonder what in-kernel users would be
> impacted by localities..

The only one I see immediately is seal/unseal (security/keys/trusted.c).
The invocation of the seal command would need to be changed to seal the
trusted keys to the kernel-only locality in order to take advantage of
the increased protection provided by a kernel-only locality.

IMA could potentially be impacted by the locality selection if it were
configured to use a locality-restricted PCR; however, the default (10) is
not restricted and there is generally no need to use a locality-restricted
PCR for this.

> Any thoughts on root vs not-root? Would middelware want to use
> localities?

I think permissions on the /dev/tpmX node suffices for this distinction.
The TCS daemon would need to be trusted to separate multiple user-space
localities since it will be keeping /dev/tpmX open anyway.

> Do you know anyone on the userspace SW side who could look at this?
>
> Jason

I should be able to find someone.

-- 
Daniel De Graaf
National Security Agency

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-24 14:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-23 18:14 [PATCH 00/13] TPM cleanup Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 01/13] tpm: ibmvtpm: Use %zd formatting for size_t format arguments Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-01 21:58   ` Peter Hüwe
2013-10-02 19:37   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Ashley D Lai
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 02/13] tpm atmel: Call request_region with the correct base Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]   ` <201310020000.13490.PeterHuewe@gmx.de>
2013-10-03  0:11     ` [tpmdd-devel] " Ashley D Lai
2013-10-03  4:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-04 17:21         ` Joel Schopp
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 03/13] tpm: xen-tpmfront: Fix default durations Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-23 18:51   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-09-23 18:57     ` Daniel De Graaf
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 04/13] tpm: Store devname in the tpm_chip Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-04 15:57   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Ashley Lai
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 05/13] tpm: Use container_of to locate the tpm_chip in tpm_open Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-05  1:47   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Ashley Lai
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 06/13] tpm: Remove redundant dev_set_drvdata Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-05  2:14   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Ashley Lai
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 07/13] tpm: Remove tpm_show_caps_1_2 Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]   ` <201310020009.22952.PeterHuewe@gmx.de>
2013-10-01 22:21     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-01 22:38       ` [tpmdd-devel] " Peter Hüwe
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 08/13] tpm: Pull everything related to /dev/tpmX into tpm-dev.c Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-01 22:52   ` Peter Hüwe
2013-10-01 22:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-01 23:14       ` Peter Hüwe
2013-10-01 23:23         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-03  5:05         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-04 15:50           ` TPM.ko module rename (was tpm: Pull everything related to /dev/tpmX into tpm-dev.c) Peter Hüwe
2013-10-04 16:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-04 16:45               ` Ashley Lai
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 09/13] tpm: Pull everything related to sysfs into tpm-sysfs.c Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-23 18:54   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Daniel De Graaf
2013-09-23 19:36     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-23 20:20       ` Daniel De Graaf
2013-09-23 20:42         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-23 22:00           ` Daniel De Graaf
2013-09-23 22:23             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-24 14:28               ` Daniel De Graaf [this message]
2013-09-30 18:10                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-30 20:36                   ` Daniel De Graaf
2013-09-30 21:20                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-30 22:09                     ` Joel Schopp
2013-10-04 17:08                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-04 19:17                         ` Stefan Berger
2013-10-04 22:02                           ` Peter Hüwe
2013-10-07 15:06                           ` Daniel De Graaf
2013-10-08  9:15                         ` AW: [TrouSerS-tech] " Fuchs, Andreas
2013-10-09 17:38                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-10  7:42                             ` AW: " Fuchs, Andreas
2013-10-10 16:50                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 10/13] tpm: Create a tpm_class_ops structure and use it in the drivers Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 11/13] tpm: Use the ops structure instead of a copy in tpm_vendor_specific Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 12/13] tpm: st33: Remove chip->data_buffer access from this driver Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-23 18:14 ` [PATCH 13/13] tpm: Make tpm-dev allocate a per-file structure Jason Gunthorpe
2013-09-23 21:27 ` [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH 00/13] TPM cleanup Joel Schopp

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