From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758271Ab3KHVNb (ORCPT ); Fri, 8 Nov 2013 16:13:31 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:18673 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757806Ab3KHVNa (ORCPT ); Fri, 8 Nov 2013 16:13:30 -0500 Message-ID: <527D4E8D.3000109@redhat.com> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 15:50:21 -0500 From: Ric Wheeler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Myers , Linus Torvalds CC: elder@kernel.org, Mark Tinguely , Christoph Hellwig , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , xfs@oss.sgi.com Subject: Re: XFS leadership and a new co-maintainer candidate References: <20131107220208.GY1935@sgi.com> <527C0F64.3010906@sgi.com> <527C4B27.6020205@redhat.com> <527CC50D.4060905@redhat.com> <20131108180337.GO10553@sgi.com> <20131108193424.GA11052@infradead.org> <20131108204605.GA1935@sgi.com> In-Reply-To: <20131108204605.GA1935@sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 11/08/2013 03:46 PM, Ben Myers wrote: > Hey Christoph, > > On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 11:34:24AM -0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 12:03:37PM -0600, Ben Myers wrote: >>> Mark is replacing Alex as my backup because Alex is really busy at >>> Linaro and asked to be taken off awhile ago. The holiday season is >>> coming up and I fully intend to go off my meds, turn in to Fonzy the >>> bear, and eat my hat. I need someone to watch the shop while I'm off >>> exploring on Mars. I trust Mark to do that because he is totally >>> awesome. >> >> Doing this as an unilateral decisions is not something that will win you >> a fan base. > It's posted for review. > >> While we never had anything reassembling a democracy in Linux Kernel >> development making decisions without even contacting the major >> contributor is wrong, twice so if the maintainer is a relatively minor >> contributor to start with. >> >> Just because it recent came up elsewhere I'd like to recite the >> definition from Trond here again: >> >> http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2012-discuss/2012-June/000066.html >> >> By many of the creative roles enlisted there it's clear that Dave should >> be the maintainer. He's been the main contributor and chief architect >> for XFS for many year, while the maintainers came and went at the mercy >> of SGI. This is not meant to bad mouth either of you as I think you're >> doing a reasonably good job compared to other maintainers, but at the >> same time the direction is set by other people that have a much longer >> involvement with the project, and having them officially in control >> would help us forward a lot. It would also avoid having to spend >> considerable resources to train every new generation of SGI maintainer. >> >> Coming to and end I would like to maintain Dave Chinner as the primary >> XFS maintainer for all the work he has done as biggest contributor and >> architect of XFS since longer than I can remember, and I would love to >> retain Ben Myers as a co-maintainer for all the good work he has done >> maintaining and reviewing patches since November 2011. > I think we're doing a decent job too. So thanks for that much at least. ;) > >> I would also like to use this post as a public venue to condemn the >> unilateral smokey backroom decisions about XFS maintainership that SGI is >> trying to enforce on the community. > That really didn't happen Christoph. It's not in my tree or in a pull request. > > Linus, let me know what you want to do. I do think we're doing a fair job over > here, and (geez) I'm just trying to add Mark as my backup since Alex is too > busy. I know the RH people want more control, and that's understandable, but > they really don't need to replace me to get their code in. Ouch. > > Thanks, > Ben Christoph is not a Red Hat person. Jeff is from Oracle. This is not a Red Hat vs SGI thing, Dave simply has earned the right to take on the formal leadership role of maintainer. Regards, Ric