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From: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
To: Ben Myers <bpm@sgi.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com, elder@kernel.org,
	Mark Tinguely <tinguely@sgi.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] update xfs maintainers
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:32:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <527D7491.2030006@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131108221744.GQ10553@sgi.com>

On 11/08/2013 05:17 PM, Ben Myers wrote:
> Hey Ric,
>
> On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 05:07:45PM -0500, Ric Wheeler wrote:
>> On 11/08/2013 05:03 PM, Ben Myers wrote:
>>> Hey Ric,
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 03:50:21PM -0500, Ric Wheeler wrote:
>>>> On 11/08/2013 03:46 PM, Ben Myers wrote:
>>>>> Hey Christoph,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 11:34:24AM -0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 12:03:37PM -0600, Ben Myers wrote:
>>>>>>> Mark is replacing Alex as my backup because Alex is really busy at
>>>>>>> Linaro and asked to be taken off awhile ago.  The holiday season is
>>>>>>> coming up and I fully intend to go off my meds, turn in to Fonzy the
>>>>>>> bear, and eat my hat.  I need someone to watch the shop while I'm off
>>>>>>> exploring on Mars.  I trust Mark to do that because he is totally
>>>>>>> awesome.
>>>>>> Doing this as an unilateral decisions is not something that will win you
>>>>>> a fan base.
>>>>> It's posted for review.
>>>>>
>>>>>> While we never had anything reassembling a democracy in Linux Kernel
>>>>>> development making decisions without even contacting the major
>>>>>> contributor is wrong, twice so if the maintainer is a relatively minor
>>>>>> contributor to start with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just because it recent came up elsewhere I'd like to recite the
>>>>>> definition from Trond here again:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2012-discuss/2012-June/000066.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By many of the creative roles enlisted there it's clear that Dave should
>>>>>> be the maintainer.  He's been the main contributor and chief architect
>>>>>> for XFS for many year, while the maintainers came and went at the mercy
>>>>>> of SGI.  This is not meant to bad mouth either of you as I think you're
>>>>>> doing a reasonably good job compared to other maintainers, but at the
>>>>>> same time the direction is set by other people that have a much longer
>>>>>> involvement with the project, and having them officially in control
>>>>>> would help us forward a lot.  It would also avoid having to spend
>>>>>> considerable resources to train every new generation of SGI maintainer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coming to and end I would like to maintain Dave Chinner as the primary
>>>>>> XFS maintainer for all the work he has done as biggest contributor and
>>>>>> architect of XFS since longer than I can remember, and I would love to
>>>>>> retain Ben Myers as a co-maintainer for all the good work he has done
>>>>>> maintaining and reviewing patches since November 2011.
>>>>> I think we're doing a decent job too.  So thanks for that much at least.  ;)
>>>>>> I would also like to use this post as a public venue to condemn the
>>>>>> unilateral smokey backroom decisions about XFS maintainership that SGI is
>>>>>> trying to enforce on the community.
>>>>> That really didn't happen Christoph.  It's not in my tree or in a pull request.
>>>>>
>>>>> Linus, let me know what you want to do.  I do think we're doing a fair job over
>>>>> here, and (geez) I'm just trying to add Mark as my backup since Alex is too
>>>>> busy.  I know the RH people want more control, and that's understandable, but
>>>>> they really don't need to replace me to get their code in.  Ouch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 	Ben
>>>> Christoph is not a Red Hat person.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff is from Oracle.
>>>>
>>>> This is not a Red Hat vs SGI thing,
>>> Sorry if my read on that was wrong.
>> I do appreciate the work and effort you and the SGI team put in but
>> think that this will be a good way to keep the community happier and
>> even more productive going forward.
>>
>>>> Dave simply has earned the right
>>>> to take on the formal leadership role of maintainer.
>>> Then we're gonna need some Reviewed-bys.  ;)
>> Those should come from the developers, thanks!
> I actually do need your Reviewed-by.   We'll try and get this one in 3.13.  ;)
>
> Thanks,
> 	Ben

Happy to do that - I do think that Dave mostly posts from his redhat.com 
account, but he can comment once he gets back online.

Reviewed-by: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
>
>>> From: Ben Myers <bpm@sgi.com>
>>>
>>> xfs: update maintainers
>>>
>>> Add Dave as maintainer of XFS.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Ben Myers <bpm@sgi.com>
>>> ---
>>>   MAINTAINERS |    2 +-
>>>   1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>
>>> Index: b/MAINTAINERS
>>> ===================================================================
>>> --- a/MAINTAINERS	2013-11-08 15:20:18.935186245 -0600
>>> +++ b/MAINTAINERS	2013-11-08 15:22:50.685245977 -0600
>>> @@ -9387,8 +9387,8 @@ F:	drivers/xen/*swiotlb*
>>>   XFS FILESYSTEM
>>>   P:	Silicon Graphics Inc
>>> +M:	Dave Chinner <dchinner@fromorbit.com>
>>>   M:	Ben Myers <bpm@sgi.com>
>>> -M:	Alex Elder <elder@kernel.org>
>>>   M:	xfs@oss.sgi.com
>>>   L:	xfs@oss.sgi.com
>>>   W:	http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs


  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-08 23:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20131107220208.GY1935@sgi.com>
     [not found] ` <527C0F64.3010906@sgi.com>
     [not found]   ` <527C4B27.6020205@redhat.com>
2013-11-08 11:03     ` XFS leadership and a new co-maintainer candidate Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 18:03       ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 18:09         ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 19:45           ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 19:34         ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-08 20:32           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 20:46           ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 20:50             ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 22:03               ` [PATCH] update xfs maintainers Ben Myers
2013-11-08 22:07                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 22:17                   ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 23:32                     ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2013-11-09 23:17                       ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 22:59                 ` Zhi Yong Wu
2013-11-08 23:44                   ` NeilBrown
2013-11-09 23:51                     ` Ben Myers
2013-11-10  0:30                       ` Ben Myers
2013-11-10  3:13                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-10 23:32                           ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-10 23:12                         ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-11  3:49                           ` Ben Myers
2013-11-14  6:22                 ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-15  0:33                   ` Ben Myers
2013-11-14 18:25                 ` Alex Elder
2013-11-12 17:32             ` XFS leadership and a new co-maintainer candidate Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-12 19:30               ` Ben Myers

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