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From: Eliezer Tamir <eliezer.tamir@linux.intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	lenb@kernel.org, rjw@rjwysocki.net,
	Eliezer Tamir <eliezer@tamir.org.il>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	rui.zhang@intel.com, jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com,
	Mike Galbraith <bitbucket@online.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	hpa@zytor.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/7] sched: Clean up preempt_enable_no_resched() abuse
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:15:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52944A9A.6090906@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131122113044.GL10022@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 22/11/2013 13:30, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 08:56:00AM +0200, Eliezer Tamir wrote:
>> On 21/11/2013 15:39, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 03:26:17PM +0200, Eliezer Tamir wrote:
> 
> Please use local_clock(), yes its slightly more expensive, but I doubt
> you can actually measure the effects on sane hardware.

If we limit the discussion to sane hardware, I should mention that on
current Intel CPUs TSC is guaranteed to be monotonic for anything up to
8 sockets. Even on slightly older HS TSC skew is very small and should
not be an issue for this use case.

So:
Modern sane HW does not have this issue.
The people that do busy polling typically pin tasks to cores anyway.
You need cap_net_admin to use this setting.
There is no real damage if the issue happens.
This is fast-low-latency-path so we are very sensitive to adding even
a small cost.
Linus really didn't like adding to the cost of poll/select when busy
polling is not being used.

Having said that, since we need to fix the timeout issue you pointed
out, we will test the use of local_clock() and see if it matters or
not.

Again, I have no objection to changing the use of
preempt_enable_no_resched() to a plain preempt_enable().

Cheers,
Eliezer

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-26  7:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-20 16:04 [PATCH 0/7] Cure some vaux idle wrackage Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 16:04 ` [PATCH 1/7] x86, acpi, idle: Restructure the mwait idle routines Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 16:04 ` [PATCH 2/7] sched, preempt: Fixup missed PREEMPT_NEED_RESCHED folding Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-21  8:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 16:04 ` [PATCH 3/7] idle, thermal, acpi: Remove home grown idle implementations Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 16:40   ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-11-20 16:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 17:23     ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-20 17:23       ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-11-20 17:55         ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-20 18:21           ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-11-20 19:38             ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-20 22:08               ` Jacob Pan
2013-11-21  0:54   ` Jacob Pan
2013-11-21  8:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-21 16:07       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 16:21         ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-11-21 19:19           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 19:45             ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-11-21 20:07               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22  0:10                 ` Jacob Pan
2013-11-22  4:20                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 11:33                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-22 17:17                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 16:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-21 17:27           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-20 16:04 ` [PATCH 4/7] preempt, locking: Rework local_bh_{dis,en}able() Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 16:04 ` [PATCH 5/7] locking: Optimize lock_bh functions Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 16:04 ` [PATCH 6/7] sched: Clean up preempt_enable_no_resched() abuse Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 18:02   ` Eliezer Tamir
2013-11-20 18:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 20:14       ` Eliezer Tamir
2013-11-21 10:10     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-21 13:26       ` Eliezer Tamir
2013-11-21 13:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-22  6:56           ` Eliezer Tamir
2013-11-22 11:30             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-26  7:15               ` Eliezer Tamir [this message]
2013-11-26 10:51                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-20 16:04 ` [PATCH 7/7] preempt: Take away preempt_enable_no_resched() from modules Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 18:54   ` Jacob Pan
2013-11-20 19:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 19:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 19:29       ` Jacob Pan
2013-11-20 16:34 ` [PATCH 0/7] Cure some vaux idle wrackage Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-20 17:19   ` Jacob Pan
2013-11-20 17:24     ` Peter Zijlstra

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