From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Mike Galbraith <bitbucket@online.de>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jeremy Eder <jeder@redhat.com>,
x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: 50 Watt idle power regression bisected to Linux-3.10
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:08:35 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <52A8F073.9040500@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131211175036.GC12431@gmail.com>
On 12/11/2013 09:50 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> Well, availability could be a problem too, if some CPU (real or
> virtual) implements MWAIT but not CLFLUSH.
>
> In theory we could make mwait an alternatives variant and patch in the
> right combination of instructions? The CLFLUSH goes to the same
> address as on which the monitoring happens, so it could be considered
> one meta-instruction.
>
The first thing to do is probably to drop the use of thread_info as a
wakeup doorbell. It seemed like a good idea at the time -- after all,
there is one for each thread -- but it is extremely likely to be dirty
in the cache, which is (presumably) what causes these kinds of bugs to
be maximally likely. Even if we don't do the CLFLUSH it is likely that
the hardware has to do something expensive behind the scenes.
So I would like to propose that we switch to using a percpu variable
which is a single cache line of nothing at all. It would only ever be
touched by MONITOR and for explicit wakeup. Hopefully that will resolve
this problem without the need for the CLFLUSH.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-12-11 23:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-12-07 8:00 50 Watt idle power regression bisected to Linux-3.10 Len Brown
2013-12-07 8:39 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-07 16:01 ` Len Brown
2013-12-07 16:45 ` Len Brown
2013-12-07 19:17 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-10 11:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-07 12:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-08 4:57 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-08 20:40 ` Len Brown
2013-12-09 3:16 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-10 5:17 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-10 11:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 14:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-10 15:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 2:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-11 3:21 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-11 11:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-11 11:38 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-12-11 11:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 12:29 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-11 12:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 13:10 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-11 13:40 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-12-11 14:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 16:02 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-12-11 16:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 17:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 23:08 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2013-12-11 23:14 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-12-12 0:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-12 4:25 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-12 4:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-12 4:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-12 5:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-12 5:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-12 5:57 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-12 6:05 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-12 7:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-12 8:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-12 13:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-12 15:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-12 15:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 15:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-11 15:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 16:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 17:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 16:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 17:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 21:43 ` Len Brown
2013-12-11 22:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-18 21:44 ` [PATCH] x86 idle: repair large-server 50-watt idle-power regression Len Brown
2013-12-19 12:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 14:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 15:45 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-12-19 15:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 16:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 16:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 16:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 16:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-19 16:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 17:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 17:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-19 17:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-19 18:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 18:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 17:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-19 18:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 21:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 21:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 18:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 18:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 18:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 18:23 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <CA+55aFzGxcML7j8CEvQPYzh0W81uVoAAVmGctMOUZ7CZ1yYd2A@mail.gmail.com>
2013-12-19 18:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 20:09 ` [tip:x86/idle] x86, idle: Use static_cpu_has() for CLFLUSH workaround, add barriers tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 20:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-12-19 21:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 21:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-12-19 21:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 8:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 20:33 ` [tip:x86/idle] x86, idle: Add memory barriers around clflush in mwait_play_dead() tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 18:19 ` [PATCH] x86 idle: repair large-server 50-watt idle-power regression Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 19:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 19:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-19 19:51 ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86 idle: Repair " tip-bot for Len Brown
2014-03-18 0:20 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-03-18 9:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-19 2:14 ` Jason Low
2014-03-19 6:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-08 21:43 ` Brown, Len
2014-04-09 8:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-15 3:27 ` Davidlohr Bueso
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