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From: Alex Shi <alex.shi@linaro.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] sched: bias to target cpu load to reduce task moving
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 22:15:54 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52CD5D9A.30604@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140107125930.GW31570@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 01/07/2014 08:59 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 12:55:18PM +0000, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
>> My understanding is that should_we_balance() decides which cpu is
>> eligible for doing the load balancing for a given domain (and the
>> domains above). That is, only one cpu in a group is allowed to load
>> balance between the local group and other groups. That cpu would
>> therefore be reponsible for pulling enough load that the groups are
>> balanced even if it means temporarily overloading itself. The other cpus
>> in the group will take care of load balancing the extra load within the
>> local group later.

Thanks for both of you comments and explanations! :)

I know this patch's change is arguable and my attempt doesn't tune well. But I believe I am in a correct way. :) let me explain a bit for this patch again.

First cpu_load includes the history load info, so repeatedly decay and use the history load is kind of non-sense. and the old source/target_load randomly select history load or current load just according to max/min, it also owe a well explanation.
Second, we consider the bias in source/target_load already. but still use imbalance_pct as last check in idlest/busiest group finding. It is also a kind of redundant job. If we can consider the source/target bias, we'd better not use imbalance_pct again.
And last, imbalance pct overused with quickly core number increasing cpu. Like in find_busiset_group:
Assume a 2 groups domain, each group has 8 cores cpus.
    The target group will bias 8 * (imbalance_pct -100) 
				= 8 * (125 - 100) = 200.
     Since each of cpu bias .25 times load, for 8 cpus, totally bias 2 times average cpu load between groups. That is a too much. But if there only 2 cores in cpu group(common case when the code introduced). the bias is just 2 * 25 / 100 = 0.5 times average cpu load.

Now this patchset remove the cpu_load array avoid repeated history decay; reorganize the imbalance_pct usage to avoid redundant balance bias. and reduce the bias value between cpu groups -- maybe it isn't tune well. :)

> 
> Correct.
> 
>> I may have missed something, but I don't understand the reason for the
>> performance improvements that you are reporting. I see better numbers
>> for a few benchmarks, but I still don't understand why the code makes
>> sense after the cleanup. If we don't understand why it works, we cannot
>> be sure that it doesn't harm other benchmarks. There is always a chance
>> that we miss something but, IMHO, not having any idea to begin with
>> increases the chances for problems later significantly. So why not get
>> to the bottom of the problem of cleaning up cpu_load?
>>
>> Have you done more extensive benchmarking? Have you seen any regressions
>> in other benchmarks?
> 
> I only remember hackbench numbers and that generally fares well with a
> more aggressive balancer since it has no actual work to speak of the
> migration penalty is very low and because there's a metric ton of tasks
> the aggressive leveling makes for more coherent 'throughput'.

I just tested hackbench on arm. and with more testing times plus rebase to .13-rc6, the variation increased, then the benefit become unclear. anyway still no regression find on both perf-stat cpu-migration times and real execute time.

On 0day performance testing should tested kbuild, hackbench, aim7, dbench, tbench, sysbench, netperf etc. etc. No regression found.

The 0day performance testing also catch a cpu migration reduced on kvm guest.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/12/21/135 

and another benchmark get benefit on the old patchset:
like the testing results show on 0day performance testing: 

https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/12/4/102

Hi Alex,

We obsevered 150% performance gain with vm-scalability/300s-mmap-pread-seq
testcase with this patch applied. Here is a list of changes we got so far:

testbox : brickland
testcase: vm-scalability/300s-mmap-pread-seq


    f1b6442c7dd12802e622      d70495ef86f397816d73  
       (parent commit)            (this commit)
------------------------  ------------------------  
             26393249.80      +150.9%  66223933.60  vm-scalability.throughput

                  225.12       -49.9%       112.75  time.elapsed_time
                36333.40       -90.7%      3392.20  vmstat.system.cs
                    2.40      +375.0%        11.40  vmstat.cpu.id
              3770081.60       -97.7%     87673.40  time.major_page_faults
              3975276.20       -97.0%    117409.60  time.voluntary_context_switches
                    3.05      +301.7%        12.24  iostat.cpu.idle
                21118.41       -70.3%      6277.19  time.system_time
                   18.40      +130.4%        42.40  vmstat.cpu.us
                   77.00       -41.3%        45.20  vmstat.cpu.sy
                47459.60       -31.3%     32592.20  vmstat.system.in
                82435.40       -12.1%     72443.60  time.involuntary_context_switches
                 5128.13       +14.0%      5848.30  time.user_time
                11656.20        -7.8%     10745.60  time.percent_of_cpu_this_job_got
           1069997484.80        +0.3% 1073679919.00 time.minor_page_faults

Btw, the latest patchset include more clean up.
	git@github.com:alexshi/power-scheduling.git noload
Guess fengguang's 0day performance is doing test on it.

-- 
Thanks
    Alex

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-08 14:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-03  9:05 [PATCH 0/4] sched: remove cpu_load decay Alex Shi
2013-12-03  9:05 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: shortcut to remove load_idx Alex Shi
2013-12-03  9:05 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched: remove rq->cpu_load[load_idx] array Alex Shi
2013-12-03  9:05 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched: clean up cpu_load update Alex Shi
2013-12-03  9:05 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched: bias to target cpu load to reduce task moving Alex Shi
2013-12-04  9:06   ` Yuanhan Liu
2013-12-04 11:25     ` Alex Shi
2013-12-17 14:10   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-12-17 15:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-19 13:34       ` Alex Shi
2013-12-20 11:19         ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-12-20 14:45           ` Alex Shi
2013-12-25 14:58           ` Alex Shi
2014-01-02 16:04             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-06 13:35               ` Alex Shi
2014-01-07 12:55                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 12:59                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-07 13:15                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-07 13:32                       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-01-07 13:40                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-07 15:16                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 20:37                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-08 14:15                     ` Alex Shi [this message]
2013-12-03 10:26 ` [PATCH 0/4] sched: remove cpu_load decay Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-10  1:04   ` Alex Shi
2013-12-10  1:06     ` Paul Turner
2013-12-13 19:50     ` bsegall
2013-12-14 12:53       ` Alex Shi
2013-12-13 20:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-14 13:27   ` Alex Shi
2013-12-17 14:04     ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-12-17 15:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 18:12         ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-12-20 14:43           ` Alex Shi

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