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From: Roland Dreier <roland@topspin.com>
To: "Albert D. Cahalan" <acahalan@cs.uml.edu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [2.6] The List, pass #2
Date: 31 Jul 2002 21:05:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52lm7rw7e1.fsf@topspin.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200208010325.g713PAA340197@saturn.cs.uml.edu>

>>>>> "Albert" == Albert D Cahalan <acahalan@cs.uml.edu> writes:

    Albert> As I said, "one could get fancy", thus missing the 2.6.xx
    Albert> kernel.  It's pretty obvious that you could do SCSI and IP
    Albert> with much less code. What's with the "HCA DDK" anyway, UDI
    Albert> reborn? I see all sorts of layers for IPC and what looks
    Albert> like VI/VIA, etc.

    Albert> Ditch the lofty goals, and you might make the 2.6.xx
    Albert> kernel.  You can stick to being a FireWire alternative for
    Albert> now.

The idea behind the HCA DDK is to let IB hardware drivers only
implement the details of the hardware they support, while keeping the
generic code generic.  It's similar in spirit to the way Linux doesn't
force ethernet drivers to implement the whole TCP stack.

Unfortunately the "VI layer" you mention is just about the lowest
level it makes sense to talk to IB hardware.  IB chips really do
operate in terms of queue pairs, completion queues, memory regions and
so on.  Other stuff like path record lookup is a necessary to use an
IB fabric (nodes are identify by a GUID, but packets need to be sent
to a LID, and the mapping of GUID->LID is not necessarily fixed).

I agree that it's a shame that the IB spec is so absurdly complex.
And it probably is true that you could come up with a simplified way
of using IB hardware that would be easier to code for.  However, I
don't think you'll find much interest in the IB world in implementing
Linux-specific, non-interoperable, non-IB-spec-compliant software.

Best,
  Roland

  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-01  4:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-19  4:47 [2.6] The List, pass #2 Guillaume Boissiere
2002-07-19  5:08 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-19 12:41 ` mbs
2002-07-19 13:16 ` jlnance
2002-07-20  7:28 ` Bruce Harada
2002-07-28 10:47 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-07-31 17:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-31 17:58   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-31 18:54     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-31 20:20     ` Trond Myklebust
2002-07-31 20:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-31 20:24         ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-31 20:34         ` Trond Myklebust
2002-08-01  0:31           ` Alan Cox
2002-07-31 23:42             ` J. Bruce Fields
2002-08-01  9:33             ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 13:42               ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 15:39                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2002-07-31 22:04   ` David Lang
2002-08-01  9:33     ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-03  3:40       ` Pavel Machek
2002-08-08  9:02         ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-13  3:00           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-13  5:27           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-01  0:34   ` Neil Brown
2002-08-01  1:56 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-08-01  2:30   ` Roland Dreier
2002-08-01  3:25     ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-08-01  4:05       ` Roland Dreier [this message]
2002-08-01  5:08   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-01  6:10     ` Austin Gonyou
2002-08-05  7:29       ` Rob Landley
2002-08-01 18:45     ` Ben Greear
2002-08-01 14:12   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-09  2:30 ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-07 17:11 Matt_Domsch

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