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From: Roland Dreier <roland@topspin.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PCI DMA to small buffers on cache-incoherent arch
Date: 10 Jun 2002 09:03:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52y9dn86k5.fsf@topspin.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52lm9p9tdz.fsf@topspin.com> <20020608.175325.63815788.davem@redhat.com> <52d6v19r9n.fsf@topspin.com> <20020608.222903.122223122.davem@redhat.com> <528z5p9dtl.fsf@topspin.com>

>>>>> "Roland" == Roland Dreier <roland@topspin.com> writes:

    David> For non-cacheline aligned chunks in the range "start" to
    David> "end" you must perform a cache writeback and invalidate. To
    David> preserve the data outside of the DMA range.

    Roland> Doesn't this still have a problem if you touch data in the
    Roland> same cache line as the DMA buffer after the pci_map but
    Roland> before the DMA takes place?  The CPU will pull the cache
    Roland> line back in and it might not see the data the DMA brought
    Roland> in.

    Roland> It seems to me that to be totally safe, pci_unmap would
    Roland> have to save the non-aligned part outside the buffer to
    Roland> temporary storage, do an invalidate, and then copy back
    Roland> the non-aligned part.

Replying to myself....  Anyway, I realized that even my idea above is
wrong.  I don't see _any_ safe way to share a cache line between a DMA
buffer and other data.  Access to the cache line might pull the cache
line back in and write it back at any time, which could corrupt the
DMA'ed data.  I don't see a way to hide the existence of cache lines
etc. from the driver.

Best,
  Roland

  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-10 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-08 20:38 PCI DMA to small buffers on cache-incoherent arch Roland Dreier
2002-06-08 13:58 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-06-09  0:52   ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-08 23:03 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-09  0:40   ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-09  0:53     ` David S. Miller
2002-06-09  1:26       ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-09  5:29         ` David S. Miller
2002-06-09  6:16           ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-10 16:03             ` Roland Dreier [this message]
2002-06-11 14:04               ` David Woodhouse
2002-06-09  6:45           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-10  4:24             ` David S. Miller
2002-06-10 10:00               ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-10 10:24                 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-09  9:51           ` Paul Mackerras
2002-06-09 10:54             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-10  4:27             ` David S. Miller
2002-06-10 15:59               ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-10 17:03                 ` Tom Rini
2002-06-10 17:22                   ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-10 17:29                     ` Tom Rini
2002-06-10 17:39                       ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-10 19:03                       ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-10 19:14                         ` Tom Rini
2002-06-10 19:21                           ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-10 19:26                             ` Tom Rini
2002-06-10 17:57                     ` Russell King
2002-06-10 17:28                   ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-10 18:07               ` William Jhun
2002-06-10 18:29                 ` William Jhun
2002-06-10 18:33                 ` Mark Zealey
2002-06-10 18:44                   ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11  3:10                 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11  4:04                   ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-11  4:16                     ` Brad Hards
2002-06-11  4:24                       ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-11  4:24                         ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11  4:21                     ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11  4:39                       ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-11  4:38                         ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11  6:23                           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11  6:38                             ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11  7:38                               ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11  7:36                                 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11  7:43                                   ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11  8:07                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11  8:15                                       ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 12:06                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11 12:04                                           ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 14:23                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-14  4:14                                               ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 18:26                                             ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-11 17:29                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-12 12:02                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11 20:06                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-12 12:02                                                   ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 23:00                                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-06-11 23:56                                                 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-12  0:09                                                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-06-11 15:57                                     ` William Jhun
2002-06-12  9:06                                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-12 20:16                                       ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 11:47                 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 12:08                   ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-14  4:41                     ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 16:09                   ` William Jhun
2002-06-09  1:30   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-06-09  5:29     ` David S. Miller
2002-06-09  6:33       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-06-09  6:50         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-09  6:57           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-06-09  7:15             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-09  8:48         ` Russell King
2002-06-09 15:42           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-06-09 23:26           ` Oliver Neukum
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-11  5:31 David Brownell
2002-06-11  5:44 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 15:12   ` David Brownell
2002-06-11 15:44     ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-12  3:25     ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 17:33       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-12  9:42         ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 14:14           ` David Brownell
2002-06-12 15:00             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-12 18:44             ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-12 19:13               ` David Brownell
2002-06-12 19:58                 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-12 22:51                   ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 23:17                     ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-13  4:57                   ` David Brownell
2002-06-12 22:46                 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-13  5:13                   ` David Brownell
2002-06-13  9:38                     ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 22:50                 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12  6:25       ` David Brownell
2002-06-12  6:24         ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12  7:06           ` David Brownell
2002-06-12  9:22             ` David S. Miller

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