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From: David Daney <ddaney.cavm@gmail.com>
To: Mateusz Guzik <mguzik@redhat.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Kay Sievers <kay@vrfy.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] cmdline: Hide "debug" from /proc/cmdline
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 15:30:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <533C8F75.9000301@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140402221212.GD16570@mguzik.redhat.com>

On 04/02/2014 03:12 PM, Mateusz Guzik wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 02:42:19PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>> It has come to our attention that a system running a specific user
>> space init program will not boot if you add "debug" to the kernel
>> command line. What happens is that the user space tool parses the
>> kernel command line, and if it sees "debug" it will spit out so much
>> information that the system fails to boot. This basically renders the
>> "debug" option for the kernel useless.
>>
>> This bug has been reported to the developers of said tool
>> here:
>>
>>    https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935
>>
>> The response is:
>>
>> "Generic terms are generic, not the first user owns them."
>>
>> That is, the "debug" statement on the *kernel* command line is not
>> owned by the kernel just because it was the first user of it, and
>> they refuse to fix their bug.
>>
>> Well, my response is, we OWN the kernel command line, and as such, we
>> can keep the users from seeing stuff on it if we so choose. And with
>> that, I propose this patch, which hides "debug" from /proc/cmdline,
>> such that we don't have to worry about tools parsing for it and causing
>> hardship for those trying to debug the kernel.
>>
>
> Well, parsing kernel cmdline by systemd is a bad idea, and hiding
> "debug" is even worse. What will happen when the next keyword clashes?
> And how should I check the kernel is booted with "debug"?
>
> If there is a real need to pass arguments to systemd, how about a
> dedicated option (initargs= or whatever, where it has to be last in
> cmdline), then systemd would be spawned with these arguments and would
> just go over its argv.
>

What if systemd only parsed kernel command line arguments of the form:

...  systemd.arg_foo systemd.arg_bar=x ...

Then it wouldn't get confused by arguments that weren't directly 
targeted at it.

There is precedence for this form, as it is what we already use for 
built-in modules.  As a bonus, we would be ready for when systemd is 
integrated into the kernel as a module itself.

Thanks,
David Daney

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-02 22:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-02 18:42 [RFC PATCH] cmdline: Hide "debug" from /proc/cmdline Steven Rostedt
2014-04-02 18:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-02 19:04 ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-02 19:05   ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-02 19:08   ` Randy Dunlap
2014-04-02 19:50   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-04-02 20:05     ` Richard Weinberger
2014-04-02 20:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-04-02 22:18   ` Greg KH
2014-04-02 19:08 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-02 19:33   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-02 22:12 ` Mateusz Guzik
2014-04-02 22:30   ` David Daney [this message]
2014-04-02 22:37   ` Greg KH
2014-04-02 23:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-02 23:23     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-04-02 23:28       ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-02 23:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-02 23:47           ` Jiri Kosina
2014-04-02 23:52             ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-02 23:57               ` Jiri Kosina
2014-04-03  1:38               ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-03  1:47               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-03  9:03                 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-03 10:43                 ` Joerg Roedel
2014-04-03 17:05                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-03 17:09                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-04-03 17:18                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-03 19:19                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-04-04 18:21                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-04 18:32                       ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-04 18:57                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-04 19:09                           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-04 21:17                         ` John Stoffel
2014-04-04 23:17                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-04-05 14:37                             ` John Stoffel
2014-04-05 23:23                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-04 18:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-04 18:51                         ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-04 18:57                           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-06 20:49                             ` David Timothy Strauss
2014-05-06  9:38                               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-04 19:44                           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-04 20:17                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-04 22:45                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-04-04 22:48                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-04 19:00                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-03 11:23                 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-03 11:38                   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-04-15  7:26                 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-03 10:34               ` Måns Rullgård
2014-04-03 11:03                 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-06 17:19                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-05-06  9:47                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-02 23:47           ` Joe Perches
2014-04-02 23:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-03 11:25       ` Måns Rullgård
2014-04-03 15:17         ` Tim Bird
2014-04-03 18:06           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-05-06  9:35             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-07  4:54     ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-02 22:34       ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-05  2:17         ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-05 13:15           ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-06  0:57             ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-19  8:06               ` Diego Viola
2014-05-19  8:11                 ` Diego Viola
2014-05-19 14:40                   ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-20  1:26                     ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-20  6:26                       ` Diego Viola
2014-05-21  1:52                         ` Rusty Russell
2014-04-03  0:49   ` Steven Rostedt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-04-23 15:15 Borislav Petkov
2014-04-23 20:44 ` Borislav Petkov

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