From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, John McCutchan <john@johnmccutchan.com>,
Robert Love <rlove@rlove.org>, Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>,
Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
radu.voicilas@gmail.com, daniel@veillard.com,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Vegard Nossum <vegard.nossum@oracle.com>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
gamin-list@gnome.org, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
inotify-tools-general@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Things I wish I'd known about Inotify
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 11:00:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <534117AD.1030708@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140404124338.GA26806@quack.suse.cz>
On 04/04/2014 02:43 PM, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Fri 04-04-14 09:35:50, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> On 04/03/2014 10:52 PM, Jan Kara wrote:
>>> On Thu 03-04-14 08:34:44, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
[...]
>>>> Dealing with rename() events
>>>> The IN_MOVED_FROM and IN_MOVED_TO events that are generated by
>>>> rename(2) are usually available as consecutive events when read‐
>>>> ing from the inotify file descriptor. However, this is not guar‐
>>>> anteed. If multiple processes are triggering events for moni‐
>>>> tored objects, then (on rare occasions) an arbitrary number of
>>>> other events may appear between the IN_MOVED_FROM and IN_MOVED_TO
>>>> events.
>>>>
>>>> Matching up the IN_MOVED_FROM and IN_MOVED_TO event pair gener‐
>>>> ated by rename(2) is thus inherently racy. (Don't forget that if
>>>> an object is renamed outside of a monitored directory, there may
>>>> not even be an IN_MOVED_TO event.) Heuristic approaches (e.g.,
>>>> assume the events are always consecutive) can be used to ensure a
>>>> match in most cases, but will inevitably miss some cases, causing
>>>> the application to perceive the IN_MOVED_FROM and IN_MOVED_TO
>>>> events as being unrelated. If watch descriptors are destroyed
>>>> and re-created as a result, then those watch descriptors will be
>>>> inconsistent with the watch descriptors in any pending events.
>>>> (Re-creating the inotify file descriptor and rebuilding the cache
>>>> may be useful to deal with this scenario.)
>>> Well, but there's 'cookie' value meant exactly for matching up
>>> IN_MOVED_FROM and IN_MOVED_TO events. And 'cookie' is guaranteed to be
>>> unique at least within the inotify instance (in fact currently it is unique
>>> within the whole system but I don't think we want to give that promise).
>>
>> Yes, that's already assumed by my discussion above (its described elsewhere
>> in the page). But your comment makes me think I should add a few words to
>> remind the reader of that fact. I'll do that.
> Yes, that would be good.
>
>> But, the point is that even with the cookie, matching the events is
>> nontrivial, since:
>>
>> * There may not even be an IN_MOVED_FROM event
>> * There may be an arbitrary number of other events in between the
>> IN_MOVED_FROM and the IN_MOVED_TO.
>>
>> Therefore, one has to use heuristic approaches such as "allow at least
>> N millisconds" or "check the next N events" to see if there is an
>> IN_MOVED_FROM that matches the IN_MOVED_TO. I can't see any way around
>> that being inherently racy. (It's unfortunate that the kernel can't
>> provide a guarantee that the two events are always consecutive, since
>> that would simply user space's life considerably.)
> Yeah, it's unpleasant but doing that would be quite costly/complex at the
> kernel side.
Yep, I imagined that was probably the reason.
> And the race would in the worst case lead to application
> thinking there's been file moved outside of watched area & a file moved
> somewhere else inside the watched area. So the application will have to
> possibly inspect that file. That doesn't seem too bad.
It's actually very bad. See the text above. The point is that one likely
treatment on an IN_MOVED_FROM event that has no IN_MOVED_TO is to remove
the watches for the moved out subtree. If it turns out that this really
was just a rename(), then on the IN_MOVED_TO, the watches will be recreated
*with different watch descriptors*, thus invalidating the watch descriptors
in any queued but as yet unprocessed inotify events. See what I mean?
That's quite painful for user space.
Cheers,
Michael
--
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-04-06 9:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-03 6:34 Things I wish I'd known about Inotify Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-03 15:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-04 7:59 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-04 20:24 ` Stef Bon
2014-04-03 20:52 ` Jan Kara
2014-04-04 7:35 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-04 12:43 ` Jan Kara
2014-04-06 9:00 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2014-04-07 9:31 ` Jan Kara
2014-04-12 5:44 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-07-12 19:06 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-07-14 11:28 ` Jan Kara
2014-07-15 4:15 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-04 13:00 ` David Herrmann
2014-04-04 13:08 ` David Herrmann
2014-04-04 14:50 ` Eric Paris
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=534117AD.1030708@gmail.com \
--to=mtk.manpages@gmail.com \
--cc=daniel@veillard.com \
--cc=eparis@redhat.com \
--cc=gamin-list@gnome.org \
--cc=hch@infradead.org \
--cc=inotify-tools-general@lists.sourceforge.net \
--cc=jack@suse.cz \
--cc=john@johnmccutchan.com \
--cc=lennart@poettering.net \
--cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-man@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=radu.voicilas@gmail.com \
--cc=rlove@rlove.org \
--cc=vegard.nossum@oracle.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).