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From: Jet Chen <jet.chen@intel.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Romer, Benjamin M" <Benjamin.Romer@unisys.com>
Cc: Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [visorchipset] invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] PREEMPT SMP
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 01:35:49 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <534827F5.1020004@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53481976.3020209@zytor.com>

On 04/12/2014 12:33 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 04/11/2014 06:51 AM, Romer, Benjamin M wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still confused where KVM comes into the picture.  Are you actually
>>> using KVM (and thus talking about nested virtualization) or are you
>>> using Qemu in JIT mode and running another hypervisor underneath?
>>
>> The test that Fengguang used to find the problem was running the linux
>> kernel directly using KVM. When the kernel was run with "-cpu Haswell,
>> +smep,+smap" set, the vmcall failed with invalid op, but when the kernel
>> is run with "-cpu qemu64", the vmcall causes a vmexit, as it should.
> 
> As far as I know, Fengguang's test doesn't use KVM at all, it runs Qemu
> as a JIT.  Completely different thing.  In that case Qemu probably
> should *not* set the hypervisor bit.  However, the only thing that the
> hypervisor bit means is that you can look for specific hypervisor APIs
> in CPUID level 0x40000000+.
> 
>> My point is, the vmcall was made because the hypervisor bit was set. If
>> this bit had been turned off, as it would be on a real processor, the
>> vmcall wouldn't have happened.
> 
> And my point is that that is a bug.  In the driver.  A very serious one.
>  You cannot call VMCALL until you know *which* hypervisor API(s) you
> have available, period.
> 
>>> The hypervisor bit is a complete red herring. If the guest CPU is
>>> running in VT-x mode, then VMCALL should VMEXIT inside the guest
>>> (invoking the guest root VT-x), 
>>
>> The CPU is running in VT-X. That was my point, the kernel is running in
>> the KVM guest, and KVM is setting the CPU feature bits such that bit 31
>> is enabled.
> 
> Which it is because it wants to export the KVM hypercall interface.
> However, keying VMCALL *only* on the HYPERVISOR bit is wrong in the extreme.
> 
>> I don't think it's a red herring because the kernel uses this bit
>> elsewhere - it is reported as X86_FEATURE_HYPERVISOR in the CPU
>> features, and can be checked with the cpu_has_hypervisor macro (which
>> was not used by the original author of the code in the driver, but
>> should have been). VMWare and KVM support in the kernel also check for
>> this bit before checking their hypervisor leaves for an ID. If it's not
>> properly set it affects more than just the s-Par drivers.
>>
>>> but the fact still remains that you
>>> should never, ever, invoke VMCALL unless you know what hypervisor you
>>> have underneath.
>>
>> From the standpoint of the s-Par drivers, yes, I agree (as I already
>> said). However, VMCALL is not a privileged instruction, so anyone could
>> use it from user space and go right past the OS straight to the
>> hypervisor. IMHO, making it *lethal* to the guest is a bad idea, since
>> any user could hard-stop the guest with a couple of lines of C.
> 
> Typically the hypervisor wants to generate a #UD inside of the guest for
> that case.  The guest OS will intercept it and SIGILL the user space
> process.
> 
> 	-hpa
> 

Hi Ben,

I re-tested this case with/without option -enable-kvm.

qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu Haswell,+smep,+smap			invalid op
qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu kvm64					invalid op
qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu Haswell,+smep,+smap -enable-kvm 	everything OK
qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu kvm64 -enable-kvm			everything OK

I think this is probably a bug in QEMU.
Sorry for misleading you. I am not experienced in QEMU usage. I don't realize I need try this case with different options Until read Peter's reply.

As Peter said, QEMU probably should *not* set the hypervisor bit. But based on my testing, I think KVM works properly in this case.

Thanks,
Jet

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-11 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-07 11:17 [visorchipset] invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] PREEMPT SMP Fengguang Wu
2014-04-07 14:04 ` Ken Cox
2014-04-07 14:09 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-04-07 14:24   ` Ken Cox
2014-04-07 19:23     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-04-07 19:46       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found] ` <C97001BC43954D438ACB059713BA5CDF92040F0F00@USEA-EXCH7.na.uis.unisys.com>
2014-04-08  2:53   ` Fengguang Wu
2014-04-08 15:39     ` Romer, Benjamin M
     [not found]   ` <53444220.50009@intel.com>
     [not found]     ` <C97001BC43954D438ACB059713BA5CDF92040F0F06@USEA-EXCH7.na.uis.unisys.com>
     [not found]       ` <53458A3A.1050608@intel.com>
2014-04-09 23:01         ` Fengguang Wu
2014-04-09 23:10           ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-04-10 13:19             ` Romer, Benjamin M
2014-04-11  2:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-04-11 13:51                 ` Romer, Benjamin M
2014-04-11 16:33                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-04-11 17:35                     ` Jet Chen [this message]
2014-04-11 17:40                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-04-11 17:51                         ` Romer, Benjamin M
2014-04-30 10:02                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-04-11 17:49                       ` Romer, Benjamin M
2014-04-13 11:51                       ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-13 12:20                         ` Jet Chen
2014-04-09 23:10           ` H. Peter Anvin

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