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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, morten.rasmussen@arm.com,
	mingo@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	george.mccollister@gmail.com, ktkhai@parallels.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC/TEST] sched: make sync affine wakeups work
Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 02:08:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53633645.9090308@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1399010337.5233.50.camel@marge.simpson.net>

On 05/02/2014 01:58 AM, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 07:32 +0200, Mike Galbraith wrote: 
>> On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 00:42 -0400, Rik van Riel wrote: 
>>> Currently sync wakeups from the wake_affine code cannot work as
>>> designed, because the task doing the sync wakeup from the target
>>> cpu will block its wakee from selecting that cpu.
>>>
>>> This is despite the fact that whether or not the wakeup is sync
>>> determines whether or not we want to do an affine wakeup...
>>
>> If the sync hint really did mean we ARE going to schedule RSN, waking
>> local would be a good thing.  It is all too often a big fat lie.
> 
> One example of that is say pgbench.  The mother of all work (server
> thread) for that load wakes with sync hint.  Let the server wake the
> first of a small herd CPU affine, and that first wakee then preempt the
> server (mother of all work) that drives the entire load.
> 
> Byebye throughput.
> 
> When there's only one wakee, and there's really not enough overlap to at
> least break even, waking CPU affine is a great idea.  Even when your
> wakees only run for a short time, if you wake/get_preempted repeat, the
> load will serialize.

I see a similar issue with specjbb2013, with 4 backend and
4 frontend JVMs on a 4 node NUMA system.

The NUMA balancing code nicely places the memory of each JVM
on one NUMA node, but then the wake_affine code will happily
run all of the threads anywhere on the system, totally ruining
memory locality.

The front end and back end only exchange a few hundred messages
a second, over loopback tcp, so the switching rate between
threads is quite low...

I wonder if it would make sense for wake_affine to be off by
default, and only switch on when the right conditions are
detected, instead of having it on by default like we have now?

I have some ideas on that, but I should probably catch some
sleep before trying to code them up :)

Meanwhile, the test patch that I posted may help us figure out
whether the "sync" option in the current wake_affine code does
anything useful.

-- 
All rights reversed

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-02  6:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-02  4:42 [PATCH RFC/TEST] sched: make sync affine wakeups work Rik van Riel
2014-05-02  5:32 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  5:41   ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  5:58   ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  6:08     ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2014-05-02  6:36       ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  6:51         ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  6:13 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  6:30   ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-02  7:37     ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02 10:56       ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-02 11:27         ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02 12:51           ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]           ` <5363B793.9010208@redhat.com>
2014-05-06 11:54             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-06 20:19               ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-06 20:39                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-06 23:46                   ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-09  2:20                   ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-09  5:27                     ` [PATCH] sched: wake up task on prev_cpu if not in SD_WAKE_AFFINE domain with cpu Rik van Riel
2014-05-09  6:04                       ` [PATCH] sched: clean up select_task_rq_fair conditionals and indentation Rik van Riel
2014-05-09  7:34                       ` [PATCH] sched: wake up task on prev_cpu if not in SD_WAKE_AFFINE domain with cpu Mike Galbraith
2014-05-09 14:22                         ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-09 15:24                           ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-09 15:24                             ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-09 17:55                               ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-09 18:16                                 ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-10  3:54                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-13 14:08                                     ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-14  4:08                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-14 15:40                                         ` [PATCH] sched: call select_idle_sibling when not affine_sd Rik van Riel
2014-05-14 15:45                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-19 13:08                                           ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2014-05-22 12:27                                           ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Call select_idle_sibling() " tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2014-05-04 11:44     ` [PATCH RFC/TEST] sched: make sync affine wakeups work Preeti Murthy
2014-05-04 12:04       ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-05  4:38         ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-04 12:41       ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-05  4:50         ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-05  6:43           ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-05 11:28           ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-06 13:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-06 13:25         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-06 20:20           ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-06 20:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-07 12:17               ` Ingo Molnar
2014-05-06 11:56       ` Peter Zijlstra

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