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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Preeti Murthy <preeti.lkml@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	george.mccollister@gmail.com, ktkhai@parallels.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC/TEST] sched: make sync affine wakeups work
Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 07:28:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <536775ED.3070502@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5367188C.1060702@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On 05/05/2014 12:50 AM, Preeti U Murthy wrote:

> Yeah now I see it. But I still feel wake_affine() and
> select_idle_sibling() are not at fault primarily because when they were
> introduced, I don't think it was foreseen that the cpu topology would
> grow to the extent it is now.

It's not about "fault", it is about the fact that on current
large NUMA systems they are broken, and could stand some
improvement :)

> select_idle_sibling() for instance scans the cpus within the purview of
> the last level cache of a cpu and this was a small set. Hence there was
> no overhead. Now with many cpus sharing the L3 cache, we see an
> overhead. wake_affine() probably did not expect the NUMA nodes to come
> under its governance as well and hence it sees no harm in waking up
> tasks close to the waker because it still believes that it will be
> within a node.

If two tasks truly are related to each other, I think we
will want to have the wake_affine logic pull them towards
each other, all the way across a giant NUMA system if
needs be.

The problem is that the current wake_affine logic starts
in the ON position, and only switches off in a few very
specific scenarios.

I suspect we would be better off with the reverse, starting
with wake_affine in the off position, and switching it on
when we detect it makes sense to do so.

-- 
All rights reversed

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-05 11:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-02  4:42 [PATCH RFC/TEST] sched: make sync affine wakeups work Rik van Riel
2014-05-02  5:32 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  5:41   ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  5:58   ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  6:08     ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-02  6:36       ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  6:51         ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  6:13 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02  6:30   ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-02  7:37     ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02 10:56       ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-02 11:27         ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-02 12:51           ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]           ` <5363B793.9010208@redhat.com>
2014-05-06 11:54             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-06 20:19               ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-06 20:39                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-06 23:46                   ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-09  2:20                   ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-09  5:27                     ` [PATCH] sched: wake up task on prev_cpu if not in SD_WAKE_AFFINE domain with cpu Rik van Riel
2014-05-09  6:04                       ` [PATCH] sched: clean up select_task_rq_fair conditionals and indentation Rik van Riel
2014-05-09  7:34                       ` [PATCH] sched: wake up task on prev_cpu if not in SD_WAKE_AFFINE domain with cpu Mike Galbraith
2014-05-09 14:22                         ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-09 15:24                           ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-09 15:24                             ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-09 17:55                               ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-09 18:16                                 ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-10  3:54                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-13 14:08                                     ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-14  4:08                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-14 15:40                                         ` [PATCH] sched: call select_idle_sibling when not affine_sd Rik van Riel
2014-05-14 15:45                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-19 13:08                                           ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2014-05-22 12:27                                           ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Call select_idle_sibling() " tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2014-05-04 11:44     ` [PATCH RFC/TEST] sched: make sync affine wakeups work Preeti Murthy
2014-05-04 12:04       ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-05  4:38         ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-04 12:41       ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-05  4:50         ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-05  6:43           ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-05 11:28           ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2014-05-06 13:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-06 13:25         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-06 20:20           ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-06 20:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-07 12:17               ` Ingo Molnar
2014-05-06 11:56       ` Peter Zijlstra

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