From: "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Darren Hart <darren@dvhart.com>,
Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
Roland McGrath <roland@hack.frob.com>,
Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/3] futex/rtmutex: Fix issues exposed by trinity
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 13:55:59 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5376512F.6080308@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1405141227170.6261@ionos.tec.linutronix.de>
On 05/14/2014 06:28 AM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2014, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:53:44AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>>>> What error would we return?
>>>>
>>>> This particular case is a serious error for which we have no good error code
>>>> to return to userspace. It's an implementation defect, a bug, we should probably
>>>> assert instead of pausing.
>>>
>>> Errm.
>>>
>>> http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7908799/xsh/pthread_mutex_lock.html
>>>
>>> The pthread_mutex_lock() function may fail if:
>>>
>>> [EDEADLK]
>>> The current thread already owns the mutex.
>>>
>>> That's a exactly the error code, which the kernel returns when it
>>> detects a deadlock.
>>>
>>> And glibc returns EDEADLK at a lot of places already. So in that case
>>> it's not a serious error? Because it's detected by glibc. You can't be
>>> serious about that.
>>>
>>> So why is a kernel detected deadlock different? Because it detects not
>>> only AA, it detects ABBA and more. But it's still a dead lock. And
>>> while posix spec only talks about AA, it's the very same issue.
>>>
>>> So why not propagate this to the caller so he gets an alert right away
>>> instead of letting him attach a debugger, and scratch his head and
>>> lookup glibc source to find out why the hell glibc called pause.
>>
>> http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/pthread_mutex_lock.html
>
> Yuck. I should not have used the first link Gurgle brought up.
For the record the correct link is for POSIX Issue 7 (Issue 8 under development).
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/pthread_mutex_lock.html
The Issue 7 version has a nice table :}
Cheers,
Carlos.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-05-16 17:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-12 20:45 [patch 0/3] futex/rtmutex: Fix issues exposed by trinity Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 1/3] rtmutex: Add missing deadlock check Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 5:51 ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-05-13 8:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 8:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-13 16:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 19:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 20:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13 20:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 21:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 22:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 22:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13 23:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 23:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-14 0:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-14 6:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
[not found] ` <CAGChsmO9GO1Z2VBbw7uLtTXpYowdoUQbK8C3=Dt2jtGAnc6D2A@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-14 13:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 6:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 12:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 2/3] futex: Add another early deadlock detection check Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-19 12:22 ` [tip:core/urgent] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 3/3] futex: Prevent attaching to kernel threads Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-12 21:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 21:59 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-05-12 22:18 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-19 12:22 ` [tip:core/urgent] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 21:37 ` [patch 0/3] futex/rtmutex: Fix issues exposed by trinity Steven Rostedt
2014-05-12 21:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 22:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-12 22:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 23:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13 6:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2014-05-13 3:54 ` Darren Hart
2014-05-13 9:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 7:06 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 10:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 20:59 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 22:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-15 7:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-15 8:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-16 18:21 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 6:58 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 9:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-14 21:17 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 23:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-16 17:54 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-15 8:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-16 18:14 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 9:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 10:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-14 10:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-16 17:55 ` Carlos O'Donell [this message]
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