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From: "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Darren Hart <darren@dvhart.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@hack.frob.com>,
	Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/3] futex/rtmutex: Fix issues exposed by trinity
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 13:55:59 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5376512F.6080308@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1405141227170.6261@ionos.tec.linutronix.de>

On 05/14/2014 06:28 AM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2014, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:53:44AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>>>> What error would we return?
>>>>
>>>> This particular case is a serious error for which we have no good error code
>>>> to return to userspace. It's an implementation defect, a bug, we should probably
>>>> assert instead of pausing.
>>>
>>> Errm.
>>>
>>> http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7908799/xsh/pthread_mutex_lock.html
>>>
>>>  The pthread_mutex_lock() function may fail if:
>>>
>>>   [EDEADLK]
>>>     The current thread already owns the mutex. 
>>>
>>> That's a exactly the error code, which the kernel returns when it
>>> detects a deadlock. 
>>>
>>> And glibc returns EDEADLK at a lot of places already. So in that case
>>> it's not a serious error? Because it's detected by glibc. You can't be
>>> serious about that.
>>>
>>> So why is a kernel detected deadlock different? Because it detects not
>>> only AA, it detects ABBA and more. But it's still a dead lock. And
>>> while posix spec only talks about AA, it's the very same issue.
>>>
>>> So why not propagate this to the caller so he gets an alert right away
>>> instead of letting him attach a debugger, and scratch his head and
>>> lookup glibc source to find out why the hell glibc called pause.
>>
>>   http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/pthread_mutex_lock.html
> 
> Yuck. I should not have used the first link Gurgle brought up.

For the record the correct link is for POSIX Issue 7 (Issue 8 under development).

http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/pthread_mutex_lock.html

The Issue 7 version has a nice table :}

Cheers,
Carlos.


      reply	other threads:[~2014-05-16 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-12 20:45 [patch 0/3] futex/rtmutex: Fix issues exposed by trinity Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 1/3] rtmutex: Add missing deadlock check Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13  5:51   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-05-13  8:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13  8:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-13 16:12       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 19:42       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 20:20         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13 20:36           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 21:27             ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 22:00               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 22:44                 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13 23:27                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 23:53                     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-14  0:12                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-14  6:54                       ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                         ` <CAGChsmO9GO1Z2VBbw7uLtTXpYowdoUQbK8C3=Dt2jtGAnc6D2A@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-14 13:33                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14  6:42                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 12:59     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 2/3] futex: Add another early deadlock detection check Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-19 12:22   ` [tip:core/urgent] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 3/3] futex: Prevent attaching to kernel threads Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-12 21:16     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 21:59   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-05-12 22:18     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-19 12:22   ` [tip:core/urgent] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 21:37 ` [patch 0/3] futex/rtmutex: Fix issues exposed by trinity Steven Rostedt
2014-05-12 21:52   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 22:08     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-12 22:37       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 23:18         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13  6:37   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-05-13  3:54 ` Darren Hart
2014-05-13  9:08   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14  7:06     ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 10:26       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 20:59         ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 22:54           ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-15  7:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-15  8:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-16 18:21             ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14  6:58   ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14  9:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-14 21:17       ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 23:11         ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-16 17:54           ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-15  8:07         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-16 18:14           ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14  9:53     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 10:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-14 10:28         ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-16 17:55           ` Carlos O'Donell [this message]

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