From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Paolo Valente <paolo.valente@unimore.it>,
Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
Fabio Checconi <fchecconi@gmail.com>,
Arianna Avanzini <avanzini.arianna@gmail.com>,
Paolo Valente <posta_paolo@yahoo.it>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 00/12] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:46:36 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <538CB87C.7030600@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140602174250.GC8912@htj.dyndns.org>
On 06/02/2014 11:42 AM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Jens.
>
> On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:32:05AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> For things like blkcg, I agree, it should be able to be common code and
>> reusable. But there's a need for scheduling beyond that, for people that
>> don't use control groups (ie most...). And it'd be hard to retrofit cfq
>> into blk-mq, without rewriting it. I don't believe we need anything this
>> fancy for blk-mq, hopefully. At least having simple deadline scheduling
>> would be Good Enough for the foreseeable future.
>
> Heh, looks like we're miscommunicating. I don't think anything with
> the level of complexity of cfq is realistic for high-iops devices. It
> has already become a liability for SATA ssds after all. My suggestion
> is that as hierarchical scheduling tends to be logical extension of
> flat scheduling, it probably would make sense to implement both
> scheduling logics in the same framework as in the cpu scheduler or (to
> a lesser extent) cfq. So, a new blk-mq scheduler which can work in
> hierarchical mode if blkcg is in active use.
But blk-mq will potentially drive anything, so it might not be out of
the question with a more expensive scheduling variant, if it makes any
sense to do of course. At least until there's no more rotating stuff out
there :-). But it's not a priority at all to me yet. As long as we have
coexisting IO paths, it'd be trivial to select the needed one based on
the device characteristics.
> One part I was wondering about is whether we'd need to continue the
> modular multiple implementation mechanism. For rotating disks, for
> various reasons including some historical ones, we ended up with
> multiple ioscheds and somewhat uglily layered blkcg implementations.
> Given that the expected characteristics of blk-mq devices are more
> consistent, it could be reasonable to stick with single iops and/or
> bandwidth scheme.
I hope not to do that. I just want something sane and simple (like a
deadline scheduler), nothing more.
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-06-02 17:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-27 12:42 [PATCH RFC RESEND 00/14] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 01/14] block: kconfig update and build bits for BFQ paolo
2014-05-28 22:19 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 00/12] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler Paolo Valente
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 01/12] block: introduce the BFQ-v0 I/O scheduler Paolo Valente
2014-05-30 15:36 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 02/12] block, bfq: add full hierarchical scheduling and cgroups support Paolo Valente
2014-05-30 15:37 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-30 15:39 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-30 21:49 ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-30 21:49 ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 03/12] block, bfq: improve throughput boosting Paolo Valente
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 04/12] block, bfq: modify the peak-rate estimator Paolo Valente
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 05/12] block, bfq: add more fairness to boost throughput and reduce latency Paolo Valente
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 06/12] block, bfq: improve responsiveness Paolo Valente
2014-05-30 15:41 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 07/12] block, bfq: reduce I/O latency for soft real-time applications Paolo Valente
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 08/12] block, bfq: preserve a low latency also with NCQ-capable drives Paolo Valente
2014-05-31 13:48 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-02 9:58 ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 09/12] block, bfq: reduce latency during request-pool saturation Paolo Valente
2014-05-31 13:54 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-02 9:54 ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 10/12] block, bfq: add Early Queue Merge (EQM) Paolo Valente
2014-06-01 0:03 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-02 9:46 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-03 16:28 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-04 11:47 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-04 13:04 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 11:23 ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 11/12] block, bfq: boost the throughput on NCQ-capable flash-based devices Paolo Valente
2014-05-30 15:46 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-30 22:01 ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-31 11:52 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-02 9:26 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-03 17:11 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-04 7:29 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-04 13:56 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 10:46 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-19 1:14 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-29 9:05 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 12/12] block, bfq: boost the throughput with random I/O on NCQ-capable HDDs Paolo Valente
2014-05-30 15:51 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-31 13:34 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-30 16:07 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 00/12] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler Tejun Heo
2014-05-30 22:23 ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-30 23:28 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-30 23:54 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-02 11:14 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-02 13:02 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-03 16:54 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-03 20:40 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-04 8:39 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-04 9:08 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-04 10:03 ` BFQ speed tests [was Re: [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 00/12] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler] Pavel Machek
2014-06-04 10:24 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-04 11:59 ` Takashi Iwai
2014-06-04 12:12 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-11 20:45 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-13 16:21 ` Takashi Iwai
2014-06-11 20:39 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-02 17:33 ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 00/12] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler Tejun Heo
2014-06-03 4:12 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-06-04 22:31 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-05 2:14 ` Jens Axboe
2014-05-31 0:48 ` Jens Axboe
2014-05-31 5:16 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-02 14:29 ` Jens Axboe
2014-06-02 17:24 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-02 17:32 ` Jens Axboe
2014-06-02 17:42 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-02 17:46 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2014-06-02 18:51 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-02 20:57 ` Jens Axboe
2014-06-04 14:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-06-04 14:50 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-04 14:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-06-04 14:58 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-04 17:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-06-17 15:55 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-19 1:46 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-19 1:49 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-19 2:29 ` Jens Axboe
2014-06-23 13:53 ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-23 19:20 ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-09 20:54 ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 02/14] block: introduce the BFQ-v0 I/O scheduler paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 03/14] block: add hierarchical-support option to kconfig paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 04/14] block, bfq: add full hierarchical scheduling and cgroups support paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 05/14] block, bfq: improve throughput boosting paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 06/14] block, bfq: modify the peak-rate estimator paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 07/14] block, bfq: add more fairness to boost throughput and reduce latency paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 08/14] block, bfq: improve responsiveness paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 09/14] block, bfq: reduce I/O latency for soft real-time applications paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 10/14] block, bfq: preserve a low latency also with NCQ-capable drives paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 11/14] block, bfq: reduce latency during request-pool saturation paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 12/14] block, bfq: add Early Queue Merge (EQM) paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 13/14] block, bfq: boost the throughput on NCQ-capable flash-based devices paolo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 14/14] block, bfq: boost the throughput with random I/O on NCQ-capable HDDs paolo
2014-05-30 15:32 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 00/14] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler Vivek Goyal
2014-05-30 16:16 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-30 17:09 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-05-30 17:26 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-30 17:55 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-05-30 17:59 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-30 23:33 ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-30 17:31 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-05-30 17:39 ` Tejun Heo
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