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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>, Mikael Pettersson <mikpelinux@gmail.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Russ Cox <rsc@golang.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Ian Taylor <iant@golang.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] __vdso_findsym
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:05:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <539DD26B.3060709@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140615143500.GP179@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

On 06/15/2014 07:35 AM, Rich Felker wrote:
> 
> Arguably, it was a mistake for the kernel to expose a virtual ELF to
> begin with, and it should just have exposed a "lookup function by
> name" operation to begin with. Yes this can be done in userspace, but
> I see it more as a matter of "fixing a broken API design".
> 

What the fsck are you smoking?  There is immense value in providing a
stable and very well-defined data structure, which also happens to be
what dynamic linkers already want to consume.  Providing a helper for
crippled libc applications has potential value.  Shaving a few hundred
bytes off static applications is a very weak argument, simply because it
is such a small fraction of the enormous cost of a static application,
and static applications are problematic in a number of other ways,
especially the lack of ability to fix bugs.

Treating the kernel as an ersatz dynamic library for "static"
applications is kind of silly -- after all, why not provide an entire
libc in the vdso?  I have actually seen people advocate for doing that.

	-hpa



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-15 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-14 18:16 [RFC 0/2] __vdso_findsym Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-14 18:16 ` [RFC 1/2] uapi: Add some missing dynamic table-related definitions to elf.h Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-14 18:16 ` [RFC 2/2] [NOT READY] x86/vdso: Add __vdso_findsym Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-14 21:30 ` [RFC 0/2] __vdso_findsym Rich Felker
2014-06-14 22:38   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-14 23:36     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-15  3:59       ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-15  6:49         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-15 14:25 ` Mikael Pettersson
2014-06-15 14:35   ` Rich Felker
2014-06-15 15:47     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-15 17:05     ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2014-06-15 17:40       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-15 17:57         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-15 18:20           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-15 18:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-15 18:54               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-15 19:14                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-15 19:22                   ` Ian Lance Taylor
2014-06-15 19:31                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-15 19:50                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2014-06-15 19:56                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-15 20:53                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-15 21:13                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-16  0:55                   ` Rich Felker
2014-06-16  2:36             ` Andi Kleen
2014-06-16  3:49               ` Rich Felker
2014-06-16 14:08               ` Ian Lance Taylor
2014-06-16 14:38                 ` Andi Kleen
2014-06-16 14:58                   ` Rich Felker
2014-06-16 15:31                   ` Ian Lance Taylor
2014-06-16 15:42                     ` Rich Felker
2014-06-20 15:55                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-20 16:07                         ` Rich Felker
2014-06-16 14:56                 ` Rich Felker
2014-06-15 18:20         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-15 18:22           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-16  6:39             ` Rich Felker
2014-06-16  1:06       ` Rich Felker

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