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From: Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	LAK <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
	"linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org" <linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/12] sched: fix imbalance flag reset
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:34:04 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53BE7324.1090207@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtB-S=9irbZUVnr6zn3XTix2NDep_d+0FtDNRaB-x78_Vw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter, Vincent,

On 07/10/2014 02:44 PM, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> On 9 July 2014 12:43, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 09:24:54AM +0530, Preeti U Murthy wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>
>>> Continuing with the above explanation; when LBF_ALL_PINNED flag is
>>> set,and we jump to out_balanced, we clear the imbalance flag for the
>>> sched_group comprising of cpu0 and cpu1,although there is actually an
>>> imbalance. t2 could still be migrated to say cpu2/cpu3 (t2 has them in
>>> its cpus allowed mask) in another sched group when load balancing is
>>> done at the next sched domain level.
>>
>> And this is where Vince is wrong; note how
>> update_sg_lb_stats()/sg_imbalance() uses group->sgc->imbalance, but
>> load_balance() sets: sd_parent->groups->sgc->imbalance, so explicitly
>> one level up.
>>
> 
> I forgot this behavior when studying preeti use case
> 
>> So what we can do I suppose is clear 'group->sgc->imbalance' at
>> out_balanced.
>>
>> In any case, the entirely of this group imbalance crap is just that,
>> crap. Its a terribly difficult situation and the current bits more or
>> less fudge around some of the common cases. Also see the comment near
>> sg_imbalanced(). Its not a solid and 'correct' anything. Its a bunch of
>> hacks trying to deal with hard cases.
>>
>> A 'good' solution would be prohibitively expensive I fear.
> 
> I have tried to summarized several use cases that have been discussed
> for this patch
> 
> The 1st use case is the one that i described in the commit message of
> this patch: If we have a sporadic imbalance that set the imbalance
> flag, we don't clear it after and it generates spurious and useless
> active load balance
> 
> Then preeti came with the following use case :
> we have a sched_domain made of CPU0 and CPU1 in 2 different sched_groups
> 2 tasks A and B are on CPU0, B can't run on CPU1, A is the running task.
> When CPU1's sched_group is doing load balance, the imbalance should be
> set. That's still happen with this patchset because the LBF_ALL_PINNED
> flag will be cleared thanks to task A.
> 
> Preeti also explained me the following use cases on irc:
> 
> If we have both tasks A and B that can't run on CPU1, the
> LBF_ALL_PINNED will stay set. As we can't do anything, we conclude
> that we are balanced, we go to out_balanced and we clear the imbalance
> flag. But we should not consider that as a balanced state but as a all
> tasks pinned state instead and we should let the imbalance flag set.
> If we now have 2 additional CPUs which are in the cpumask of task A
> and/or B at the parent sched_domain level , we should migrate one task
> in this group but this will not happen (with this patch) because the
> sched_group made of CPU0 and CPU1 is not overloaded (2 tasks for 2
> CPUs) and the imbalance flag has been cleared as described previously.

Peter,

The above paragraph describes my concern with regard to clearing the
imbalance flag at a given level of sched domain in case of pinned tasks
in the below conversation.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/7/9/454.

You are right about iterating through all tasks including the current
task during load balancing.

Thanks

Regards
Preeti U Murthy
> 
> I'm going to send a new revision of the patchset with the correction
> 
> Vincent
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-07-10 11:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-30 16:05 [PATCH v3 00/12] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 01/12] sched: fix imbalance flag reset Vincent Guittot
2014-07-08  3:13   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-08 10:12     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09  3:54       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-09  8:27         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 10:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-09 11:41           ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-09 14:44             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10  9:14           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10  9:30             ` [PATCH v4 ] " Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 10:57               ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-10 11:04             ` Preeti U Murthy [this message]
2014-07-09  3:05   ` [PATCH v3 01/12] " Rik van Riel
2014-07-09  3:36     ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 10:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-09 10:30     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 02/12] sched: remove a wake_affine condition Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09  3:06   ` Rik van Riel
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 03/12] sched: fix avg_load computation Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09  3:10   ` Rik van Riel
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 04/12] sched: Allow all archs to set the power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09  3:11   ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 10:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 13:42     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 05/12] ARM: topology: use new cpu_power interface Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09  3:11   ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09  7:49   ` Amit Kucheria
2014-07-09 10:09     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 06/12] sched: add per rq cpu_power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09  3:11   ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09  7:50   ` Amit Kucheria
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 07/12] sched: test the cpu's capacity in wake affine Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09  3:12   ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-10 11:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 13:58     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 08/12] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 11:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 14:03     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-11 14:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-11 15:17         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-14 13:51           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-15  9:21             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 11:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 13:59     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 11:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 09/12] Revert "sched: Put rq's sched_avg under CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED" Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 13:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-11  7:51     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-11 15:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-11 17:39         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-11 20:12           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-14 12:55             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-14 13:20               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-14 14:04                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-14 16:22                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-15  9:20             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-14 17:54           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-07-18  1:27             ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-11 16:13       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-15  9:27         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-15  9:32           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-15  9:53             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 10/12] sched: get CPU's utilization statistic Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 11/12] sched: replace capacity_factor by utilization Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 12/12] sched: add SD_PREFER_SIBLING for SMT level Vincent Guittot

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