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From: Jason Baron <jbaron@akamai.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: x86-ml <x86@kernel.org>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] Flipped jump labels
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 23:32:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53E8394F.4020600@akamai.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140810160756.GB9490@pd.tnic>

On 08/10/2014 12:07 PM, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 05:45:15PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>> Indeed - but could we use that interface to cleanly expose the
>> arch_static_branch_active() code you've written, or do we need new
>> variants?
> We could probably.
>
> The thing is, if we want to do the _active thing, the whole jump labels
> infrastructure would need to know about those, let's call them "new
> types" because they'd need different handling when enabling - see
> __jump_label_transform() in arch/x86/kernel/jump_label.c with all the
> NOP checks.
>
> Which begs the more important question: is adding those just to save us
> a JMP penalty justify the additional code complexity. Frankly, I'm still
> on the fence here and I'd rather do some perf measurements of a kernel
> build with and without the JMP in native_sched_clock() to see whether it
> is even noticeable or it disappears in the noise.
>
> Because if it does disappear, the whole trouble is just for nothing.
>
> Thanks.
>

That is correct. We don't currently support having the default
branch direction or the fast path be different from how the
'static_key' is initialized.

If I understand your use-case correctly,  you can't have the tsc
path be the default *before* tsc_init() is called?

If not, another thought on the implementation here might be
to re-visit the work the Steven Rostedt  proposed a while back,
to use jump instead of no-ops by default, and then convert
the jumps to no-ops in a post-processing phase in order to
reduce code size (by having 2-byte jumps for example on
x86). Potentially, we could then avoid converting some of the
jumps, if they didn't match the default branch direction.
See: http://www.serverphorums.com/read.php?12,759207

In that way there is no API change, we are just relaxing the
restriction that the default branch direction must match the
way that the keys are initialized.

Thanks,

-Jason



  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-11  3:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-09 10:57 [RFC PATCH] Flipped jump labels Borislav Petkov
2014-08-10  6:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-10  6:13   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-10 15:35     ` Borislav Petkov
2014-08-10 15:45       ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-10 16:07         ` Borislav Petkov
2014-08-11  3:32           ` Jason Baron [this message]
2014-08-11  8:42             ` Borislav Petkov

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