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From: Robert Hancock <hancockrwd@gmail.com>
To: Christopher Barry <christopher.r.barry@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 19:08:22 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53EC0C06.1060205@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140812153812.2923046a@monolith.infinux.org>

On 12/08/14 01:38 PM, Christopher Barry wrote:
>
>
> What is intelligence? Not exactly the spook kind, but rather what is
> the definition of intelligence in humans? This is pretty good:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#Definitions
>
> By most accounts, the self-appointed and arguably too influential
> creators and thinkers of the day around the 'One Linux' idea fit the
> definition of intelligent people - at least in the technical realm.
>
> And their messages are pretty compelling:
> * Simplify cross-distro development.
> * Enable faster boot times.
> * Enable an on-demand, event driven architecture, similar to 'Modern'
>    Operating Systems.
> * Bring order and control to subsystems that have had as many different
>    tools as there were distros.
>
> All seemingly noble goals. All apparently come from a deep desire to
> contribute and make things better.
>
> Almost anyone could argue that these intelligent people thought hard
> about these issues, and put an enormous amount of effort into a
> solution to these problems. Unfortunately, the solution they came up
> with, as you may have guessed by now, is 'systemd'.
>
> While not new, it's grotesque impact has finally reached me and I must
> speak to it publicly.
>
> So, what is systemd? Well, meet your new God. You may have been praying
> at the alter of simplicity, but your religion is being deprecated. It
> likely already happened without your knowledge during an upgrade of
> your Linux box. systemd is the all knowing, all controlling meta-deity
> that sees all and supervises all. It's the new One Master Process that
> aspires to control everything it can - and it's already doing a lot.
> It's what init would look like if it were a transformer on steroids.
> It's complicated, multi-faceted, opaque, and supremely powerful.
>
> I had heard about systemd a few years back, when upstart and some other
> init replacements I can't remember were showing up on the scene. And
> while it seemed mildly interesting, I was not in favor of using it, nor
> any of them for that matter. init was working just fine for me. init
> was simple and robust. While configuration had it's distro-specific
> differences, it was often these differences that made one pick the
> distro to use in the first place, and to stay with that distro. The
> tools essentially *were* the distro. I just dist-upgraded to Jessie,
> and voila - PID 1 was suddenly systemd. What a clusterfuck.

You might want to send this to a mailing list that's remotely relevant, 
like perhaps a Debian one. Though I wouldn't expect a very productive 
response there either, since you neglected to include any reasons behind 
your rant other than "they changed it, now it sucks".

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-08-14  1:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-12 19:38 OT: Open letter to the Linux World Christopher Barry
2014-08-12 20:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-12 20:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2014-08-12 22:07   ` Måns Rullgård
2014-08-13  8:27     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13  9:00       ` Borislav Petkov
2014-08-18 18:15         ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-04  7:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-04 10:16             ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-04 14:36               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2014-09-04 17:29                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-04 17:58                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2014-09-04 18:11                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-04 18:27           ` Rogelio Serrano
2014-09-04 18:33             ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-04 19:18               ` Rob Landley
2014-09-05  6:31                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-06 20:01                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-06 23:44                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2014-09-07  1:42                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-13  9:24       ` Måns Rullgård
2014-08-13  9:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13  9:37           ` Måns Rullgård
2014-08-13  9:37       ` Martin Steigerwald
2014-08-13  9:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13  9:59           ` Martin Steigerwald
2014-08-13  9:54         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13  9:57         ` Måns Rullgård
2014-08-13 10:21           ` Martin Steigerwald
2014-08-13 20:19       ` William Pitcock
2014-08-14  1:08 ` Robert Hancock [this message]
2014-08-15 18:41 ` Jaswinder Singh
2015-04-08 13:12 ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-09  0:37   ` Rob Landley
2015-04-09 18:18     ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-10 12:40     ` Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
2015-04-10 21:20     ` Aaro Koskinen
2015-04-11  1:08       ` Rob Landley
     [not found] <E1XHxA6-0000ar-2a@feisty.vs19.net>
2014-08-15  8:59 ` Vlad Glagolev
2014-08-15 14:04   ` Gene Heskett
2014-08-16 21:10   ` Rob Landley

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