From: Robert Hancock <hancockrwd@gmail.com>
To: Christopher Barry <christopher.r.barry@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 19:08:22 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53EC0C06.1060205@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140812153812.2923046a@monolith.infinux.org>
On 12/08/14 01:38 PM, Christopher Barry wrote:
>
>
> What is intelligence? Not exactly the spook kind, but rather what is
> the definition of intelligence in humans? This is pretty good:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#Definitions
>
> By most accounts, the self-appointed and arguably too influential
> creators and thinkers of the day around the 'One Linux' idea fit the
> definition of intelligent people - at least in the technical realm.
>
> And their messages are pretty compelling:
> * Simplify cross-distro development.
> * Enable faster boot times.
> * Enable an on-demand, event driven architecture, similar to 'Modern'
> Operating Systems.
> * Bring order and control to subsystems that have had as many different
> tools as there were distros.
>
> All seemingly noble goals. All apparently come from a deep desire to
> contribute and make things better.
>
> Almost anyone could argue that these intelligent people thought hard
> about these issues, and put an enormous amount of effort into a
> solution to these problems. Unfortunately, the solution they came up
> with, as you may have guessed by now, is 'systemd'.
>
> While not new, it's grotesque impact has finally reached me and I must
> speak to it publicly.
>
> So, what is systemd? Well, meet your new God. You may have been praying
> at the alter of simplicity, but your religion is being deprecated. It
> likely already happened without your knowledge during an upgrade of
> your Linux box. systemd is the all knowing, all controlling meta-deity
> that sees all and supervises all. It's the new One Master Process that
> aspires to control everything it can - and it's already doing a lot.
> It's what init would look like if it were a transformer on steroids.
> It's complicated, multi-faceted, opaque, and supremely powerful.
>
> I had heard about systemd a few years back, when upstart and some other
> init replacements I can't remember were showing up on the scene. And
> while it seemed mildly interesting, I was not in favor of using it, nor
> any of them for that matter. init was working just fine for me. init
> was simple and robust. While configuration had it's distro-specific
> differences, it was often these differences that made one pick the
> distro to use in the first place, and to stay with that distro. The
> tools essentially *were* the distro. I just dist-upgraded to Jessie,
> and voila - PID 1 was suddenly systemd. What a clusterfuck.
You might want to send this to a mailing list that's remotely relevant,
like perhaps a Debian one. Though I wouldn't expect a very productive
response there either, since you neglected to include any reasons behind
your rant other than "they changed it, now it sucks".
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Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-12 19:38 OT: Open letter to the Linux World Christopher Barry
2014-08-12 20:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-12 20:44 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-08-12 22:07 ` Måns Rullgård
2014-08-13 8:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 9:00 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-08-18 18:15 ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-04 7:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-04 10:16 ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-04 14:36 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2014-09-04 17:29 ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-04 17:58 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2014-09-04 18:11 ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-04 18:27 ` Rogelio Serrano
2014-09-04 18:33 ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-04 19:18 ` Rob Landley
2014-09-05 6:31 ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-06 20:01 ` Alexander Holler
2014-09-06 23:44 ` Lennart Sorensen
2014-09-07 1:42 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-13 9:24 ` Måns Rullgård
2014-08-13 9:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 9:37 ` Måns Rullgård
2014-08-13 9:37 ` Martin Steigerwald
2014-08-13 9:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 9:59 ` Martin Steigerwald
2014-08-13 9:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 9:57 ` Måns Rullgård
2014-08-13 10:21 ` Martin Steigerwald
2014-08-13 20:19 ` William Pitcock
2014-08-14 1:08 ` Robert Hancock [this message]
2014-08-15 18:41 ` Jaswinder Singh
2015-04-08 13:12 ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-09 0:37 ` Rob Landley
2015-04-09 18:18 ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-10 12:40 ` Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
2015-04-10 21:20 ` Aaro Koskinen
2015-04-11 1:08 ` Rob Landley
[not found] <E1XHxA6-0000ar-2a@feisty.vs19.net>
2014-08-15 8:59 ` Vlad Glagolev
2014-08-15 14:04 ` Gene Heskett
2014-08-16 21:10 ` Rob Landley
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