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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Frank Mayhar <fmayhar@google.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Sanjay Rao <srao@redhat.com>, Larry Woodman <lwoodman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] time,signal: protect resource use statistics with seqlock
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 21:57:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53EC176D.6080201@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140814004318.GA2582@lerouge>

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On 08/13/2014 08:43 PM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 05:03:24PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
>> --- a/kernel/time/posix-cpu-timers.c +++
>> b/kernel/time/posix-cpu-timers.c @@ -272,22 +272,8 @@ static int
>> posix_cpu_clock_get_task(struct task_struct *tsk, if
>> (same_thread_group(tsk, current)) err =
>> cpu_clock_sample(which_clock, tsk, &rtn); } else { -		unsigned
>> long flags; -		struct sighand_struct *sighand; - -		/* -		 *
>> while_each_thread() is not yet entirely RCU safe, -		 * keep
>> locking the group while sampling process -		 * clock for now. -
>> */ -		sighand = lock_task_sighand(tsk, &flags); -		if (!sighand) 
>> -			return err; - if (tsk == current ||
>> thread_group_leader(tsk)) err =
>> cpu_clock_sample_group(which_clock, tsk, &rtn); - -
>> unlock_task_sighand(tsk, &flags); }
> 
> I'm worried about such lockless solution based on RCU or read
> seqcount because we lose the guarantee that an update is
> immediately visible by all subsequent readers.
> 
> Say CPU 0 updates the thread time and both CPU 1 and CPU 2 right
> after that call clock_gettime(), with the spinlock we were
> guaranteed to see the new update. Now with a pure seqlock read
> approach, we guarantee a read sequence coherency but we don't
> guarantee the freshest update result.
> 
> So that looks like a source of non monotonic results.

Which update are you worried about, specifically?

The seq_write_lock to update the usage stat in p->signal will lock out
the seqlock read side used to check those results.

Is there another kind of thing read by cpu_clock_sample_group that you
believe is not excluded by the seq_lock?


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  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-14  1:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-12 18:25 [PATCH RFC] time: drop do_sys_times spinlock Rik van Riel
2014-08-12 19:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-12 19:22   ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-12 22:27   ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:22     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 17:35       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 18:08         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 18:25           ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 18:45             ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 18:57               ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 21:03               ` [PATCH RFC] time,signal: protect resource use statistics with seqlock Rik van Riel
2014-08-14  0:43                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14  1:57                   ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2014-08-14 13:34                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 14:39                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15  2:52                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-15 14:26                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 22:33                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 13:22                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 13:38                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 13:53                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 17:48                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 18:34                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15  5:19                     ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-15  6:28                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-15  9:37                         ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-15  9:44                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-15 16:36                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 16:49                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 17:25                             ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-15 18:36                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 14:24                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 15:37                   ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 16:12                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 17:36                       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 18:15                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 19:03                           ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 19:37                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15  2:14                       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-15 14:58                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 21:03               ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:40       ` [PATCH RFC] time: drop do_sys_times spinlock Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 17:50         ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13  6:59   ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-13 11:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 13:24       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 13:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 14:09           ` Mike Galbraith

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