From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754974AbaIDSda (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:33:30 -0400 Received: from h1446028.stratoserver.net ([85.214.92.142]:52685 "EHLO mail.ahsoftware.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751661AbaIDSd3 (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: <5408B069.9080708@ahsoftware.de> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 20:33:13 +0200 From: Alexander Holler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rogelio Serrano CC: Borislav Petkov , Peter Zijlstra , =?UTF-8?B?TcOlbnMgUnVsbGfDpXJk?= , Steven Rostedt , Christopher Barry , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World References: <20140812153812.2923046a@monolith.infinux.org> <20140812202129.GA20344@home.goodmis.org> <20140813082756.GB2923@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20140813090013.GA20581@pd.tnic> <53F242D1.4050506@ahsoftware.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Am 04.09.2014 20:27, schrieb Rogelio Serrano: > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Alexander Holler wrote: >> Am 13.08.2014 11:00, schrieb Borislav Petkov: >> >>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:27:56AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: >>>> >>>> And the thing is; we're all very busy so we tend to take the 'easy' >>>> way out for things like this; but wholesale switching all my machines >>>> is indeed painful, and I'm not liking. >>> >>> >>> Right, I think kernel people will gladly jump on a sane solution devoid >>> of that kids-jerking-off-on-linux-desktop-just-for-the-fun-of-it >>> situation if someone would present them with one. So, if someone would >>> come up and do a sane init design without the jerking off, kernel people >>> would jump on that in a heartbeat. Someone might even start getting >>> patches from them too. ^^Hint^^ ^^hint^^. >>> >>> :-) >> >> >> Hmm, a sane and maintainable solution would use C++ with which people don't >> have to manually build lists or hashes for every structure like in the >> kernel (generic programming done right). So you won't find much kernel >> developers there. ;) >> > > Seriously Dude? > > Have you tried it? I was using c++ before during and after the stl was > standardised > and the memories of the resulting induced self hair pulling still > gives me the shivers. > Try writing a real time kernel with full c++ support. You have to > provide the entire c++ > runtime in the kernel! > > I still do a little c++ programming when i am forced to but its only > in small pieces. > Ill go crazy otherwise. I've started to use C++ when only precompilers (to translate C++ to C) were available. That was long before the STL was standardised.