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From: Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>,
	"olof@lixom.net" <olof@lixom.net>,
	Sonny Rao <sonnyrao@chromium.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <Mark.Rutland@arm.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	Sudeep Holla <Sudeep.Holla@arm.com>,
	Christopher Covington <cov@codeaurora.org>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <Lorenzo.Pieralisi@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	Nathan Lynch <Nathan_Lynch@mentor.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
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	Pawel Moll <Pawel.Moll@arm.com>,
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	"galak@codeaurora.org" <galak@codeaurora.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] clocksource: arch_timer: Allow the device tree to specify the physical timer
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 18:00:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5411D528.4050605@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140911164710.GW6158@arm.com>

On 11/09/14 17:47, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 05:16:44PM +0100, Doug Anderson wrote:
>> Some 32-bit (ARMv7) systems are architected like this:
>>
>> * The firmware doesn't know and doesn't care about hypervisor mode and
>>   we don't want to add the complexity of hypervisor there.
>>
>> * The firmware isn't involved in SMP bringup or resume.
>>
>> * The ARCH timer come up with an uninitialized offset between the
>>   virtual and physical counters.  Each core gets a different random
>>   offset.
>>
>> On systems like the above, it doesn't make sense to use the virtual
>> counter.  There's nobody managing the offset and each time a core goes
>> down and comes back up it will get reinitialized to some other random
>> value.
> 
> You probably need to rephrase this slightly, as there *is* still a
> requirement on the hypervisor/firmware (actually, two!). See below.
> 
>> Let's add a property to the device tree to say that we shouldn't use
>> the virtual timer.  Firmware could potentially remove this property
>> before passing the device tree to the kernel if it really wants the
>> kernel to use a virtual timer.
>>
>> Note that it's been said that ARM64 (ARMv8) systems the firmware and
>> kernel really can't be architected as described above.  That means
>> using the physical timer like this really only makes sense for ARMv7
>> systems.
> 
> I'd go further: this only makes sense if you're booting in secure SVC
> mode.

If that's the case, what's the problem? Enter monitor mode, set SCR.NS
to one, nuke CNTVOFF, revert, job done.

What am I missing?

	M.
-- 
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-11 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-11 16:16 [PATCH v2] clocksource: arch_timer: Allow the device tree to specify the physical timer Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 16:47 ` Will Deacon
2014-09-11 16:59   ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:07     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-11 17:14       ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:00   ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2014-09-11 17:11     ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:22       ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-11 17:29         ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:43           ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-11 23:55             ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 23:56             ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-12  0:01               ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-12 10:20                 ` Marc Zyngier
     [not found]               ` <CAPz6YkUTXU9_b2BU5QghKTHVTJ3ngVX9EOzsMWnjigtV9TioHw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <541249B8.301@codeaurora.org>
2014-09-12  3:25                   ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-12 11:43             ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-12 12:14               ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-12 18:59                 ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-15 11:10                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-15 20:33                     ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-15 21:47                       ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 21:49                         ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-15 21:52                           ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 22:04                             ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 22:51                               ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-16  0:24                                 ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-16 10:42                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-16 11:22                                   ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-16 11:03                       ` Catalin Marinas

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