From: Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
Seth Jennings <sjenning@redhat.com>,
Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.cz>, Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
live-patching@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, kpatch@redhat.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4 0/3] Kernel Live Patching
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:06:37 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5476F7AD.3020601@hitachi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141126152759.GA29079@treble.hsd1.ky.comcast.net>
(2014/11/27 0:27), Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:18:24AM +0100, Jiri Kosina wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Masami Hiramatsu wrote:
>>
>>>> Note to Steve:
>>>> Masami's IPMODIFY patch is heading for -next via your tree. Once it arrives,
>>>> I'll rebase and make the change to set IPMODIFY. Do not pull this for -next
>>>> yet. This version (v4) is for review and gathering acks.
>>>
>>> BTW, as we discussed IPMODIFY is an exclusive flag. So if we allocate
>>> ftrace_ops for each function in each patch, it could be conflict each
>>> other.
>>
>> Yup, this corresponds to what Petr brought up yesterday. There are cases
>> where all solutions (kpatch, kgraft, klp) would allocate multiple
>> ftrace_ops for a single function entry (think of patching one function
>> multiple times in a row).
>>
>> So it's not as easy as just setting the flag.
>>
>>> Maybe we need to have another ops hashtable to find such conflict and
>>> new handler to handle it.
>>
>> If I understand your proposal correctly, that would sound like a hackish
>> workaround, trying to basically trick the IPMODIFY flag semantics you just
>> implemented :)
>
> I think Masami may be proposing something similar to what we do in
> kpatch today. We have a single ftrace_ops and handler which is used for
> all functions. The handler accesses a global hash of kpatch_func
> structs which is indexed by the original function's IP address.
Hmm, I think both is OK. kpatch method is less memory consuming and
will have a bigger overhead. However, as Steven talked at Plumbers Conf.,
he will introduce a direct code modifying interface for ftrace. After
that is introduced, we don't need to care about performance degradation
by patching :)
> It actually works out pretty well because it nicely encapsulates the
> knowledge about which functions are patched in a single place. And it
> makes it easy to track function versions (for incremental patching and
> rollback).
>
>> What I'd propose instead is to make sure that we always have
>> just a ftrace_ops per function entry, and only update the pointers there
>> as necessary. Fortunately we can do the switch atomically, by making use
>> of ->private.
>
> But how would you update multiple functions atomically, to enforce
> per-thread consistency?
At this point, both can do it atomically. We just need an atomic flag
for applying patches.
Thank you,
--
Masami HIRAMATSU
Software Platform Research Dept. Linux Technology Research Center
Hitachi, Ltd., Yokohama Research Laboratory
E-mail: masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-11-27 10:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-11-25 17:15 [PATCHv4 0/3] Kernel Live Patching Seth Jennings
2014-11-25 17:15 ` [PATCHv4 1/3] kernel: add TAINT_LIVEPATCH Seth Jennings
2014-11-25 17:15 ` [PATCHv4 2/3] kernel: add support for live patching Seth Jennings
2014-11-26 9:05 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-11-26 13:37 ` Jiri Slaby
2014-11-26 14:19 ` Miroslav Benes
2014-11-26 15:40 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2014-12-01 13:31 ` Miroslav Benes
2014-12-01 17:07 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2014-12-02 12:24 ` Miroslav Benes
2014-11-28 17:07 ` Petr Mladek
2014-11-28 17:14 ` [PATCH] livepatch: clean up klp_find_object_module() usage: was: " Petr Mladek
2014-12-01 12:08 ` Miroslav Benes
2014-12-01 12:40 ` Petr Mladek
2014-11-28 17:19 ` [PATCH] livepatch: do relocation when initializing the patch: " Petr Mladek
2014-12-03 10:00 ` Miroslav Benes
2014-11-25 17:15 ` [PATCHv4 3/3] samples: add sample live patching module Seth Jennings
2014-11-27 17:05 ` Petr Mladek
2014-12-01 17:11 ` Seth Jennings
2014-11-25 19:26 ` [PATCHv4 0/3] Kernel Live Patching Jiri Kosina
2014-11-25 22:10 ` Seth Jennings
2014-11-25 22:22 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-11-26 9:00 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-11-26 9:18 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-11-26 9:26 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-11-26 15:27 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2014-11-27 10:06 ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2014-11-27 10:52 ` Petr Mladek
2014-11-28 2:21 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-11-27 6:12 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-11-26 15:55 ` Josh Poimboeuf
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