From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752735AbbAXM3f (ORCPT ); Sat, 24 Jan 2015 07:29:35 -0500 Received: from h1446028.stratoserver.net ([85.214.92.142]:59745 "EHLO mail.ahsoftware.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751571AbbAXM3d (ORCPT ); Sat, 24 Jan 2015 07:29:33 -0500 Message-ID: <54C3901D.8040406@ahsoftware.de> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 13:29:17 +0100 From: Alexander Holler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org CC: linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, Michal Marek , David Howells , Linus Torvalds Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it References: <54C2F4F8.20809@draigBrady.com> <1422096327-4483-1-git-send-email-holler@ahsoftware.de> <54C383E0.9060408@ahsoftware.de> <54C38B6D.1060806@ahsoftware.de> In-Reply-To: <54C38B6D.1060806@ahsoftware.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Am 24.01.2015 um 13:09 schrieb Alexander Holler: > Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: >> Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: >> >>> It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how to shred stuff on >>> FLASH based devices securely too, once that has become possible. >> >> BTW: This is a good example where technology failed to keep the needs of >> users in mind. > > Failed completely. > > Since ever it's a problem for people to securely delete files on storage. > > Also it should be very simple to securely erase files on block based > devices, people have to try cruel ways in the hope to get securely rid > of files nobody else should be able to see ever again. > > It's almost unbelievable how completely the IT industry (including the > field I'm working myself: SW) failed in regard to that since 30 years or > even more. And it isn't such that this is a new requirement. Humans are doing such since thousands of years. They use fire to get rid of paper documents and even the old egypts were able to destroyed stuff on stones by using simple steps. Just the IT failed completely. Really unbelievable. So, sorry if anyone got bored by this mail, but I think that really has to be said and repeated. Regards, Alexander Holler