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From: Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>,
	Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: vdso32/syscall.S: do not load __USER32_DS to %ss
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 16:03:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5512CE55.6040802@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150325092845.GA1809@gmail.com>

On 03/25/2015 10:28 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> 
>> Now we can do a fun hack on top.  On Intel, we have 
>> sysenter/sysexitl and, on AMD, we have syscall/sysretl.  But, if I 
>> read the docs right, Intel has sysretl, too.  So we can ditch 
>> sysexit entirely, since this mechanism no longer has any need to 
>> keep the entry and exit conventions matching.
> 
> So this only affects 32-bit vdsos, because on 64-bit both Intel and 
> AMD have and use SYSCALL/SYSRET.
> 
> So my question would be: what's the performance difference between 
> INT80 and sysenter entries on 32-bit, on modern CPUs?
>
> If it's not too horrible (say below 100 cycles) then we could say that 
> we start out the simplification and robustification by switching Intel 
> over to INT80 + SYSRET on 32-bit, and once we know the 32-bit SYSRET 
> and all the other simplifications work fine we implement the 
> SYSENTER-hack on top of that?

int 0x80 is about 250 cycles slower than syscall/sysenter.
(I mean, the instruction per se, not the full round-trip).
This looks too horrible to ignore :(


> Is there any user-space code that relies on being able to execute an 
> open coded SYSENTER, or are we shielded via the vDSO?

Userspace can't use open-coded sysenter. It will return to a different
address.

Userspace _can_ do this:

my_sysenter:
        push %ecx
        push %edx
        push %ebp
        movl %esp,%ebp
        sysenter
/* end of my_sysenter() */

...
...
...

	call  my_sysenter

but this depends on matching stack layout with one used by vDSO.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-25 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-23 16:47 [PATCH] x86: vdso32/syscall.S: do not load __USER32_DS to %ss Denys Vlasenko
2015-03-23 19:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-23 20:38   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-23 21:55     ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-03-24  6:34       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-03-24 14:08         ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-03-24 15:50           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-03-24 16:55           ` Brian Gerst
2015-03-24 20:17             ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-03-24 21:40               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-25  9:28                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-03-25 15:03                   ` Denys Vlasenko [this message]
2015-03-25 15:17                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-25 14:55                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-03-25 15:12                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-25  0:59               ` Brian Gerst

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