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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 11:30:52 +0200
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Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1
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Am 15.04.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Greg Kroah-Hartman:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:21:49AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:20:34AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
>>>> We're all forced to use cgroups, systemd, udev unless we want to have busybox
>>>> as userland. That's a fact.
>>>
>>> Is that a problem?
>>
>> I'm amazed that you're really actually asking that question :-(
> 
> Really?  Why can't userspace rely on the features that the kernel
> provides them?  If not, why would the feature be created and supported
> by us kernel developers in the first place?

This IMHO not the problem.
But if we add a new component to the kernel which *will* be used
by almost every userland out there (systemd won the "init wars")
we have to make sure that we're all fine with it.
Andy and Eric have some very valid concerns.

Thanks,
//richard