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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with the NMI mess
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:54:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55BA48B7.9020500@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWq0KoBerS5OjoYZvfGNfwHYCtzzNUDuCH=84XQvEoRug@mail.gmail.com>



On 24/07/2015 19:20, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > Andy, section 5.8 of the SDM makes me think we could possibly abuse SYSRET
> > to emulate IRET, and then possibly simplify the flags processing. It says
> > that it takes the CPL3 code segment but nowhere it says that the target is
> > validated for effectively being userland, and further it suggests that it
> > doesn't validate anything :
> >
> >   "It is the responsibility of the OS to ensure the descriptors in
> >    the GDT/LDT correspond to the selectors loaded by SYSCALL/SYSRET
> >    (consistent with the base, limit, and attribute values forced by
> >    the instructions)."
> You are an evil bastard.  I seriously doubt that this will work.
> SYSRET goes to CPL3 no matter what.  Also, I don't think you want to
> start poking at MSRs to return.

On Intel the bottom two bits of the selector are forced to 11.  The
pseudocode of SYSRET in the SDM has an explicit

	CS.Selector ← (IA32_STAR[63:48]+ either 0 or 16) OR 3;
	...
	SS.Selector ← (IA32_STAR[63:48]+8) OR 3;

On AMD it's even worse, because you get a weird state with
CS.DPL=CS.RPL=SS.DPL=SS.RPL=0 but still the CPL is 3.  This is seriously
messed up because the CPL is always SS.DPL except in this case.  AMD
even had to add a separate field for the CPL to their VM control block,
just to account for this case.  Intel more sanely uses SS.DPL.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-30 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-23 20:21 Dealing with the NMI mess Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 20:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 20:49   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:31       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-23 21:46         ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:46           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:50             ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:48         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:50           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24  8:13               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24  9:02                 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 11:58                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 12:43                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 13:03                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 13:21                       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 13:30                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 13:33                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 14:31                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 14:59                           ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:16                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 15:26                               ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:30                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 15:33                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 18:29                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 18:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 19:05                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 19:55                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 20:22                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 20:51                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 21:07                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 21:08                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 15:41                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-30 21:22                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 21:58                                                 ` Brian Gerst
2015-07-30 22:59                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-07-31  4:22                                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31  5:11                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-31  7:51                                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31  8:03                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31  9:27                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31 10:25                                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31 10:26                                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31 10:32                                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-09-07  5:39                                                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07  7:42                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-07  8:19                                                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 10:19                                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-07 17:01                                                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 17:22                                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-07 19:30                                                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 21:56                                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-08 16:21                                                                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-07-24 23:53                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 15:34                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 15:49                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:48                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 16:02                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:08                     ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 16:31                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:06                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:25                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 17:21                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 17:10                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 17:20                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 15:54                       ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2015-07-24 17:21                     ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 20:52   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 20:53     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:07       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:18       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:45       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:59           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 22:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 10:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 11:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-23 21:46   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 16:33 ` Raymond Jennings

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