From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with the NMI mess
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:54:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55BA48B7.9020500@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWq0KoBerS5OjoYZvfGNfwHYCtzzNUDuCH=84XQvEoRug@mail.gmail.com>
On 24/07/2015 19:20, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > Andy, section 5.8 of the SDM makes me think we could possibly abuse SYSRET
> > to emulate IRET, and then possibly simplify the flags processing. It says
> > that it takes the CPL3 code segment but nowhere it says that the target is
> > validated for effectively being userland, and further it suggests that it
> > doesn't validate anything :
> >
> > "It is the responsibility of the OS to ensure the descriptors in
> > the GDT/LDT correspond to the selectors loaded by SYSCALL/SYSRET
> > (consistent with the base, limit, and attribute values forced by
> > the instructions)."
> You are an evil bastard. I seriously doubt that this will work.
> SYSRET goes to CPL3 no matter what. Also, I don't think you want to
> start poking at MSRs to return.
On Intel the bottom two bits of the selector are forced to 11. The
pseudocode of SYSRET in the SDM has an explicit
CS.Selector ← (IA32_STAR[63:48]+ either 0 or 16) OR 3;
...
SS.Selector ← (IA32_STAR[63:48]+8) OR 3;
On AMD it's even worse, because you get a weird state with
CS.DPL=CS.RPL=SS.DPL=SS.RPL=0 but still the CPL is 3. This is seriously
messed up because the CPL is always SS.DPL except in this case. AMD
even had to add a separate field for the CPL to their VM control block,
just to account for this case. Intel more sanely uses SS.DPL.
Paolo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-07-30 15:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-07-23 20:21 Dealing with the NMI mess Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 20:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 20:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-23 21:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:46 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:50 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:50 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 8:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 9:02 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 11:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 12:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 13:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 13:21 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 13:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 13:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 14:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 14:59 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 15:26 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 15:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 18:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 18:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 19:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 19:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 20:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 20:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 21:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 21:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 15:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-30 21:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 21:58 ` Brian Gerst
2015-07-30 22:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-07-31 4:22 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31 5:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-31 7:51 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31 8:03 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31 9:27 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31 10:25 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31 10:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31 10:32 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-09-07 5:39 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 7:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-07 8:19 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 10:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-07 17:01 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 17:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-07 19:30 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 21:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-08 16:21 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-07-24 23:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 15:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 15:49 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 16:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:08 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 16:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:25 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 17:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 17:10 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 17:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 15:54 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2015-07-24 17:21 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 20:52 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 20:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:07 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:18 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:45 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 22:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 10:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 11:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-23 21:46 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 16:33 ` Raymond Jennings
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