From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932460AbbIUSln (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:41:43 -0400 Received: from h1446028.stratoserver.net ([85.214.92.142]:59458 "EHLO mail.ahsoftware.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753072AbbIUSll (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:41:41 -0400 Subject: Re: First kernel patch (optimization) To: Austin S Hemmelgarn , "Theodore Ts'o" , Greg KH , Josh Boyer , Eric Curtin , Steve Calfee , Valentina Manea , Shuah Khan , USB list , Kernel development list References: <20150916164031.GH7394@thunk.org> <20150918031251.GA30905@thunk.org> <20150918074248.GA10792@kroah.com> <20150919022624.GB2921@thunk.org> <20150919051827.GB17114@kroah.com> <55FD5A76.1020603@ahsoftware.de> <20150919142219.GF2921@thunk.org> <55FD9FAA.3070401@ahsoftware.de> <20150920022142.GA2909@thunk.org> <55FE8D6C.8090309@ahsoftware.de> <5600267A.8070605@gmail.com> From: Alexander Holler Message-ID: <56004F59.6090706@ahsoftware.de> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 20:41:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5600267A.8070605@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Am 21.09.2015 um 17:47 schrieb Austin S Hemmelgarn: > On 2015-09-20 06:41, Alexander Holler wrote: >> Am 20.09.2015 um 04:21 schrieb Theodore Ts'o: >>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 07:47:22PM +0200, Alexander Holler wrote: >> >> Again, I don't think that encryption is an alternative. Besides that >> there is always the thread that strong encrytion will become regulated, >> there is also the very real thread that someone might end up in jail >> when using encryption and throwing away the key to delete stuff. E.g., >> as to my knowledge, in the UK you might end up in jail if you don't hand >> out a password. So what happens if you've deleted the key and are really >> unable to hand it out and the people which have an interest in what >> you've once stored don't believe you? > First off, this is why I will never live in the UK. Secondly, this is (First, it should, of course, read threat, not thread, my English becomes worse when I'm getting angry, besides that I was working on a problem with threads just before.) Just in case of, I have not used the UK as an example because I might hate it or similar (nothing of that is the case). I've used the UK as an example to make it clear that such can happen in every country (besides that I know that some kernel maintainers live there).. And e.g. the US has had a time with regulated encryption (and I think there recently was another attempt to regulate it again). And besides states, there might be other people which might getting some unwanted ideas if they might believe that there is something of value for them encrypted somewhere by you. So, in my humble opinion, it's always better to get rid of something clearly. That also helps against the problem that the encryption used today, might be worthless tomorrow. Regards, Alexander Holler