From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Amy Wiles <amy.l.wiles@intel.com>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/rapl: Do not load in a guest
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 11:41:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56616DBF.8040900@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151204101954.GA21177@pd.tnic>
On 04/12/2015 11:19, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> + Paolo.
>
> On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 09:28:23AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>>>> So when a hypervisor starts supporting RAPL we'll disable the driver erroneously?
>>>>
>>>> Isn't there any better method to detect RAPL support?
>>>>
>>>> So in particular in drivers/powercap/intel_rapl.c there's an enumerated list of
>>>> CPU models, which is used via a x86_match_cpu() call. That's still not ideal (it
>>>> does not work on hypervisors for example), but even better would be to detect RAPL
>>>> support in some other fashion, that does not rely on us statically enumerating CPU
>>>> models that support it.
>>>
>>> RAPL isn't enumerated, the best we could do is attempt to write to one
>>> of the writable MSRs and see if that 'works'.
>>
>> Hm, bad - writing to MSRs like that is generally dangerous.
>>
>> So we should at least provide a central 'is RAPL available' call instead of
>> spreading multiple X86_FEATURE_HYPERVISOR checks.
>
> Well, looks like someone dropped the ball at the CPUID registrar.
Yup, this is an issue with RAPL.
> And since there's no CPUID bit, I don't see any other way to detect the
> RAPL presence. Poking at MSRs is a bad idea.
>
> I wonder if we could go and allocate a bit in the kvm-emulated CPUID
> leafs which says whether RAPL is supported or not.
No, please don't. Why do you need a wrmsr instead of a rdmsr? If
there's no RAPL domains, the device doesn't load. On hypervisors,
reading random MSRs is generally safe.
Paolo
> Then we can go and check for that leaf on baremetal - if it is not
> there, we do the vendor + fms check and if it is there, we know we're in
> a guest and whether the guest supports it or not.
>
> Dunno.
>
> On the one hand, it looks like a bit too much to me.
>
> On the other, it could be useful for other future feature checks where
> we want baremetal and kvm to be synchronized wrt features and a single
> method to be used by the kernel for checking features presence works
> both on baremetal and virt.
>
> Just a thought, anyway...
>
> hpa, thoughts?
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-12-04 10:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-03 18:27 [PATCH] x86/rapl: Do not load in a guest Borislav Petkov
2015-12-03 18:38 ` Jacob Pan
2015-12-03 18:42 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-03 18:59 ` Jacob Pan
2015-12-03 23:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-12-03 23:25 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-04 1:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-12-04 7:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-12-04 8:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-04 8:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-12-04 10:19 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-04 10:41 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2015-12-04 10:56 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-04 11:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-12-04 17:46 ` Jacob Pan
2015-12-04 17:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-12-04 18:04 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-04 18:16 ` Jacob Pan
2015-12-04 18:28 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-04 18:37 ` Jacob Pan
2015-12-04 19:41 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-04 17:51 ` Jacob Pan
2015-12-04 22:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-04 22:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
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