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From: Jason Baron <jbaron@akamai.com>
To: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
Cc: Aaron Conole <aconole@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	syzkaller <syzkaller@googlegroups.com>,
	Vladislav Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>,
	linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kostya Serebryany <kcc@google.com>,
	Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	Sasha Levin <sasha.levin@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: use-after-free in sctp_do_sm
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 11:47:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5661C3B8.2030902@akamai.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACT4Y+btkVJBtXkp0QAJhdoK_5TeVJ97GU_wOrMsPNG3E98vaQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/04/2015 11:12 AM, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com> wrote:
>> (adding lkml as this is likely better discussed there)
>>
>> On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 15:42 -0500, Jason Baron wrote:
>>> On 12/03/2015 03:24 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 15:10 -0500, Jason Baron wrote:
>>>>> On 12/03/2015 03:03 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 2015-12-03 at 14:32 -0500, Jason Baron wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/03/2015 01:52 PM, Aaron Conole wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think that as a minimum, the following patch should be evaluted,
>>>>>>>> but am unsure to whom I should submit it (after I test):
>>>>>> []
>>>>>>> Agreed - the intention here is certainly to have no side effects. It
>>>>>>> looks like 'no_printk()' is used in quite a few other places that would
>>>>>>> benefit from this change. So we probably want a generic
>>>>>>> 'really_no_printk()' macro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/6/17/231
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see this in the tree.
>>>>
>>>> It never got applied.
>>>>
>>>>> Also maybe we should just convert
>>>>> no_printk() to do what your 'eliminated_printk()'.
>>>>
>>>> Some of them at least.
>>>>
>>>>> So we can convert all users with this change?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so, I think there are some
>>>> function evaluation/side effects that are
>>>> required.  I believe some do hardware I/O.
>>>>
>>>> It'd be good to at least isolate them.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure how to find them via some
>>>> automated tool/mechanism though.
>>>>
>>>> I asked Julia Lawall about it once in this
>>>> thread:  https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/12/3/696
>>>>
>>>
>>> Seems rather fragile to have side effects that we rely
>>> upon hidden in a printk().
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>>> Just convert them and see what breaks :)
>>
>> I appreciate your optimism.  It's very 1995.
>> Try it and see what happens.
> 
> 
> But Aaron says that DYNAMIC_DEBUG is enabled in most major
> distributions, and all these side-effects don't happen with
> DYNAMIC_DEBUG.

When DYNAMIC_DEBUG is enabled we have this wrapper from
include/linux/dynamic_debug.h:

if (unlikely(descriptor.flags & _DPRINTK_FLAGS_PRINT))
	<do debug stuff>

So the compiler is not emitting the side-effects in this
case.

>This suggests that we can make these side-effects not
> happen without DYNAMIC_DEBUG as well.
> Or I am missing something here?
> 

When DYNAMIC_DEBUG is disabled we are instead replacing
pr_debug() with the 'no_printk()' function as you've pointed
out. We are changing this to emit no code at all:

http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=144918276518878&w=2

Thanks,

-Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-04 16:47 UTC|newest]

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2015-12-03 20:51                         ` use-after-free in sctp_do_sm Joe Perches
2015-12-04 10:40                           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-04 12:55                             ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-12-04 15:37                               ` Vlad Yasevich
2015-12-04 15:51                                 ` Aaron Conole
2015-12-04 16:12                           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-12-04 16:47                             ` Jason Baron [this message]
2015-12-04 17:03                               ` Joe Perches
2015-12-04 17:11                                 ` Jason Baron
2015-12-04 10:41           ` Dmitry Vyukov

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