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From: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hpe.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] locking: Introduce smp_cond_acquire()
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 17:48:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5662182E.4050909@hpe.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzZA9EB3hFptSpdmeMOifeM5BWQGOW+ib7SLvyMTETzaA@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/04/2015 05:05 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Waiman Long<waiman.long@hpe.com>  wrote:
>> Will the following work?
> Are we trying to win some obfuscated C contest here?
>
> Just make it do something like (skipping backslashes to make it easier
> to type and read)
>
>   #define smp_cond_load_acquire(ptr, cond_expr) ({
>       typeof(*ptr) VAL;
>       for (;;) {
>            VAL = READ_ONCE(*ptr);
>            if (cond_expr) break;
>            cpu_relax();
>       }
>       smp_rmb();
>       VAL;
>    })
>
> and then you'd have it be
>
>      val = smp_cond_load_acquire(&lock->val.counter,
>                 !(VAL&  _Q_LOCKED_PENDING_MASK));
>
> which is at least halfway legible. Not some odd "fragments of
> expressions" interfaces unless absolutely required, please.

It is just some random thought that I have. I am not saying that it is 
the right way to go.

> Of course, I suspect we should not use READ_ONCE(), but some
> architecture-overridable version that just defaults to READ_ONCE().
> Same goes for that "smp_rmb()". Because maybe some architectures will
> just prefer an explicit acquire, and I suspect we do *not* want
> architectures having to recreate and override that crazy loop.
>
> How much does this all actually end up mattering, btw?
>
>                 Linus

I think what Will want to do is to provide an architecture specific 
replacement for the whole macro, not just part of it. So using READ_ONCE 
should be fine.

Cheers,
Longman

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-04 22:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-03 12:40 [PATCH 0/4] scheduler ordering bits -v2 Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-03 12:40 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: Better document the try_to_wake_up() barriers Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-03 12:40 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched: Fix a race in try_to_wake_up() vs schedule() Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-03 12:40 ` [PATCH 3/4] locking: Introduce smp_cond_acquire() Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-03 16:37   ` Will Deacon
2015-12-03 20:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-03 21:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-04 14:57       ` Will Deacon
2015-12-04 20:51       ` Waiman Long
2015-12-04 22:05         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-04 22:48           ` Waiman Long [this message]
2015-12-04 23:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-07 15:18             ` Will Deacon
2015-12-03 19:41   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-12-03 20:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-03 12:40 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched: Document Program-Order guarantees Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-03 13:16   ` Boqun Feng
2015-12-03 13:29     ` Peter Zijlstra

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