From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: noloader@gmail.com, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
John Denker <jsd@av8n.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>,
Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@gmail.com>,
cryptography@lakedaemon.net, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: better patch for linux/bitops.h
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 23:35:14 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <572AE9A2.20609@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH8yC8n974Z=mvXPsLiZqYPkVjBqtR=nqYQ-jJo194ECmWkofA@mail.gmail.com>
On 05/04/16 21:03, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
>> ...
>> But instead of arguing over what works and doesn't, let's just create
>> the the test set and just try it on a wide range of compilers and
>> architectures, hmmm?
>
> What are the requirements? Here's a short list:
>
> * No undefined behavior
> - important because the compiler writers use the C standard
> * Compiles to native "rotate IMMEDIATE" if the rotate amount is a
> "constant expression" and the machine provides it
> - translates to a native rotate instruction if available
> - "rotate IMM" can be 3 times faster than "rotate REG"
> - do any architectures *not* provide a rotate?
> * Compiles to native "rotate REGISTER" if the rotate is variable and
> the machine provides it
> - do any architectures *not* provide a rotate?
> * Constant time
> - important to high-integrity code
> - Non-security code paths probably don't care
>
> Maybe the first thing to do is provide a different rotates for the
> constant-time requirement when its in effect?
>
The disagreement here is the priority between these points. In my very
strong opinion, "no undefined behavior" per the C standard is way less
important than the others; what matters is what gcc and the other
compilers we care about do. The kernel relies on various versions of
C-standard-undefined behavior *all over the place*; for one thing
sizeof(void *) == sizeof(size_t) == sizeof(unsigned long)!! but they are
well-defined in the subcontext we care about.
(And no, not all architectures provide a rotate instruction.)
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-05-05 6:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-05-02 6:26 [RFC PATCH 0/3] random: replace urandom pool with a CRNG Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 6:26 ` [PATCH 1/3] random: replace non-blocking pool with a Chacha20-based CRNG Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-03 8:50 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-04 16:54 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-04 17:30 ` tytso
2016-05-04 17:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-03 9:36 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-04 6:24 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-04 14:40 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-04 17:49 ` tytso
2016-05-04 18:22 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-04 18:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 19:07 ` tytso
2016-05-04 20:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 21:42 ` John Denker
2016-05-04 21:52 ` better patch for linux/bitops.h John Denker
2016-05-05 1:35 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 2:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 2:54 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 3:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 3:30 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 3:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-05 4:03 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 6:35 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2016-05-05 16:15 ` UB in general ... and linux/bitops.h in particular John Denker
2016-05-05 17:32 ` Andi Kleen
2016-05-06 2:25 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 21:34 ` better patch for linux/bitops.h Sandy Harris
2016-05-05 22:18 ` tytso
2016-05-05 22:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-06 0:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 21:56 ` [PATCH 1/3] random: replace non-blocking pool with a Chacha20-based CRNG H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 22:06 ` linux/bitops.h John Denker
2016-05-04 23:06 ` linux/bitops.h Andi Kleen
2016-05-05 0:13 ` linux/bitops.h John Denker
2016-05-05 1:20 ` linux/bitops.h Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 1:27 ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 0:30 ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 0:48 ` linux/bitops.h Linus Torvalds
2016-05-06 20:08 ` linux/bitops.h Sasha Levin
2016-05-06 20:07 ` linux/bitops.h Sasha Levin
2016-05-06 20:25 ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-06 20:30 ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-02 6:26 ` [PATCH 2/3] random: make /dev/urandom scalable for silly userspace programs Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 7:00 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-02 12:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 13:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 13:53 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-02 6:26 ` [PATCH 3/3] random: add interrupt callback to VMBus IRQ handler Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 9:00 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-02 9:14 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-02 12:56 ` Theodore Ts'o
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